I noticed that Z10 Motorsports is now producing a new larger capacity oil pan...here is what I know about it, just wanted to get the opinion from people that would most likely have more knowledge than I do on this subject.

Austin

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tig welded aluminum construction.

Designed to maintain oil pressure under deceleration.

Available for both stock pump and Z10 external oil pump.

Integral-windage tray

1/2 NPT Bungs for turbo drain and oil temp.

Superior Design – allows for max power by controlling oil

5 Quart Capacity

road-race / autocross Pan, built by request

We also offer special construction pans made from 430 Stainless this is the same material used in pikes peak hill climb cars. Prices would be on request via phone on the custom pans.</TD></TR></TABLE>











HONDA TECH Price $380.00 + shipping
Includes : Stainless Steel Pickup, + Hex Bolt Kit

Applications:

B16, B18A, B18B, B18C, B20

I took this information from a post by a Z10 employee here, https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=571283


Modified by Austin at 4:10 PM 7/23/2003

 

construction looks alot better than my Moroso pan. my pan for my d16 started leaking from 2 brazes about 6 months after i got it. what applications are they building it for?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by APEX CRX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">construction looks alot better than my Moroso pan. my pan for my d16 started leaking from 2 brazes about 6 months after i got it. what applications are they building it for?</TD></TR></TABLE>

B series motors...edited the post above to include that information.

Austin

 

looks nice... but what are the road race/autocross differences?


[edit]
-will the ITR tranny bracket work?
-is the header tunnel the same or different?


Modified by Willard at 8:12 AM 7/24/2003

 

Won't vibration cause the pick-up to break since it's not braced? We have a sample that Z10 sent us and that's the first thing that occured to us. In-line 4-bangers are vibrating SOB's and the engine'd be up a creek if the pick-up breaks off under load.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Woofer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Won't vibration cause the pick-up to break since it's not braced? We have a sample that Z10 sent us and that's the first thing that occured to us. In-line 4-bangers are vibrating SOB's and the engine'd be up a creek if the pick-up breaks off under load.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Good point Larry, sounds like I might just want to invest in a new pan and have a competent person properly baffle the stock oil pan. I'll talk to John when I'm down visiting him in 2 weeks.

Austin

 

The Morroso pan problem can usually be fixed by having the enite lip welded beyond the stich style it comes with

 

I don't have pics of what the inside of the Moroso pan looks like, but I can tell you NEVER to buy one for road race or auto-X. My mech. oil pressure guage needle went down to the peg (zero!) when turing circles in a parking lot under even low speed! Truly a "drag race" pan only. I hesitated even taking on/off ramps at speed with that pan. I switched to a Mugen pan. Problem solved.

I looks like Z-10 has a bit different design, hopefully this one will work for turns!?.

 

this is NOT A LEGAL MOD for ECHC racers......

just thunked i'd state the obvious

 

not everyone races ECHC....

just stated the obvious

 

Here is what the Moroso oil pan looks like, use it with modified pickup and an oil pressure gauge. 4 years of auto crossing and over 25 track days, never had a starvation, or loss of pressure problem.

 

Is that for b or d series? What do you mean by a "modified pickup"? In what way?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is that for b or d series? Do you have a guage?</TD></TR></TABLE>

He has a B18A1 (G2 integra).

 

I have a moroso pan with my SMS Header...I was told I need to run an Accusump if I plan on road racing it.

 

IMO... go with something more proven.

when it comes to oil pans, I WOULDNT want to be the test dummy, unless they will rebuild your motors for you.

My Mugen was ok, but that moroso looks better.

 

Hello RJ,

Sorry, I have a GSR, B17A1.

Hello JG,

The pick up tube was extended, port matched, the mounting brackets were extended to mate to the block, the gates were evaluated to confirm function and the pick up to pan depth was carefully measured. Moroso does not make a pan and pick up specifically for the B17.

 

Good stuff. I had used the pickup Moroso has sent for the pan on my B20. It must have been off. When the needle on your oil pressure guage drops to the peg, it sends a distinct chill through your spine...er..I mean wallet...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Willard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks nice... but what are the road race/autocross differences?


[edit]
-will the ITR tranny bracket work?
-is the header tunnel the same or different?


Modified by Willard at 8:12 AM 7/24/2003</TD></TR></TABLE>


Road-Race / Autocross and Drag race pans are diffrent. They have diffrent sump baffling and pickup locations.

Our pans will clear all B-Series Setups and headers.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Woofer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Won't vibration cause the pick-up to break since it's not braced? We have a sample that Z10 sent us and that's the first thing that occured to us. In-line 4-bangers are vibrating SOB's and the engine'd be up a creek if the pick-up breaks off under load.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The Pickup is made from 430 Stainless which resists cracking better than mild steel but in response to this concern there are now gussets added which should quell any fears of it cracking.

Thanks for the input this helps us build a better product.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Austin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Good point Larry, sounds like I might just want to invest in a new pan and have a competent person properly baffle the stock oil pan. I'll talk to John when I'm down visiting him in 2 weeks.

Austin</TD></TR></TABLE>

Have you ever tried welding to the stock pan? It is made from a material called HTSwhich does not take kindly to any kind of welding. The steel is formed under extreme extreme pressure by this I mean that if you were to see the blank it is made from roughly 65% of the finished size, the hydro forming process thins and stretches it to finished size . The stresses remaining in the steel are not removed during the process as it is done cold ( the hydro part ) when you weld on it you do small scale stress releaving at the weld area, as the weld cools it pulls at the surrounding area which is already stressed and small cracks will begin to form. The stock pan is also Epoxy Coated to resist corrosion which HTS is very fond of. This epoxy must be removed completely or it will contaminate the weld pool which we know what happens then.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't have pics of what the inside of the Moroso pan looks like, but I can tell you NEVER to buy one for road race or auto-X. My mech. oil pressure guage needle went down to the peg (zero!) when turing circles in a parking lot under even low speed! Truly a "drag race" pan only. I hesitated even taking on/off ramps at speed with that pan. I switched to a Mugen pan. Problem solved.

I looks like Z-10 has a bit different design, hopefully this one will work for turns!?. </TD></TR></TABLE>

We have diffrent pans for diffrent types of racing. Please feel free to call us to discuss your needs.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IMO... go with something more proven.

when it comes to oil pans, I WOULDNT want to be the test dummy, unless they will rebuild your motors for you.

My Mugen was ok, but that moroso looks better.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Chris,

This is Jimmy head engineer at Z10. Does 22 Years of engine building expereince qualify? I have designed oil systems for every form of motorsports from Drag Race, Circle Track, Offshore Power Boats - the worst enviroment. To road-race the sump was arrived at after watching where the oil was moving to under various conditions that a street / strip car would experience, We offer we offer other setups for different venues. We have a test-rig that lets us watch how the fluid moves under various g-forces + directions..

Thanks ,
Jim McMillian

 

Is there anyone who is currently using ANY brand of pan for a b16 for road racing and happy with it?
Did my first race this weekend and i was cutting out of v-tec on a couple corners... pretty sure it was loosing oil pressure....
Seems if it was close to low on oil it did it, so i'm assuming it's the pan... any input welcome...

 

texastom1414 - You could try the mugen pan. I always overfill to a tiny bit over the full line and haven't had a problem on my b16. Was this race at MSR?

 

yes sir it sure was.
were you out there?