I am not trying to tur this into a debate thread. What I want to know is on a motor with bolt ons and looking to keep reliability. Which one will be more reliable. And will require less maintenance. It will be going on a 2000 GSR motor with 4.78 FD ITR tranny. Car is a 95 CX with I/H/E and I want cams. Tell me what you guys think.

 

Also guys please dont just vote give me some feed back on persoanl experiences. I know turbo makes more power but I also want relaibility without messing with it every single day.

 

Turbo,
Once it's tuned you don't have to "mess" with it at all. You have to have some self restraint so you don't up the boost without tuning it properly.
I've never driven a sc car before so i cant speak on how it drives (power delevery etc) but driving my car is a rush, It's so much fun because the power is there if and when i need it. I've been turbo charged (2 different engines) for about 3 1/2 years now and have had no problems with reliability. I will admit to little quirks like a slight ping at about 5psi but that had nothing to do with the means of forced induction it was due to ignition timing. Other then that it's ran like a champ....
So reliability IMO there is no diference both are equally the same....it's the driver that compromises reliability by being irresponsible.

 

What setup do you have and around how much did you spend on everything?

 

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custom,
drag manifold, garrett t3t4, greddy intercooler, bosch bov,tial wg
holley fuel pump,vortec 4:1 fmu,aem fpr, rc 310cc injectors,field sfc, crane trc-1 (btm).
msd ignition,magnecore wires

just over 3k for everything, I did the work myself.
there are a few other little things but cant think of them off hand....including dyno tuning

 

I am currently running a JSRC on a 95 B18c1, 6lbs of boost, making 221WHP daily driven..a lot of people will tell you "go turbo", but you will make the ultimate choice. I have a Hondata S100 with boost option, runs excellent and no complaints.
It's all stock internals by the way...

 

Well i pick a turbo because if you tune it right you love the power. Also i raced my unlce supercharge type R and i beat it so yeah i hope this help.

 

here is the low down a year ago i had a jrsc on my 92 civic with a gsr motor. i used the 8 lb kit. i had help from some one to install that had installed several of them and that was a 15 year certified honda tech so i know it was right. the car ran hard alot of bottom end but to be honest a 75 shot felt better. and i tore up three stock motors i 1 year. so i went hith a turbo. simple rev hard kit with an fmu and stock injectors (i dont necesarily recomend the fmu setup but it works). from the get go the car felt like a monster. it made 50 more whp than the jrsc at only 6 psi and i drove it for over a year with only oil changes no major work at all. 2 less psi and 50 more horsepower im not to good at math but the argument seems onesided. the problem with the jrsc is it just builds too much air temp. it has no intercooler if you want you can use their alcohol water injection setup but thats just not enough. jrsc kit is setting in my garage unused for the past two years now. what little time i used it wore the blower out so i just put her away.

 

Alan whats up this is Tony.

 

Hey man not to be a "search" ***** but there are sooooo many posts about this in the archives.

 

if you spend the money on a supercharger for a 4 cylinder you are a moron no power will come out of that setup when I pay 200, its not gonna be for 30 or 40 hp.
turbo is way better it just comes down too tuning for your reliabilty issue plus a lot of power.

also this question gets asked at least once a week

 

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Don't waste your money on cams if you are going FI. You can get all the power you want with stock cams and no trouble with rough idle.

JRSC= low end torque. Good for autocross where you are constantly turning and dropping into lower RPMs

TURBO= mad peak HP. Good for straight-line drag racing.

Reliability: Jackson Racing is only real choice for supercharging. Max boost is 10-11 psi. If properly installed and tuned it is very reliable. On the other hand there are lots of turbo kits and you can boost 20+ psi. So there is a much greater range of "reliability".

Search. This has already been discussed about 10,000 times.

 

As you can see by my sig, I have over 40k on my car daily driven with the JRSC and have had no major issues or reliability concerns.

One definate advantage in terms of safety issues withthe JRSC is that there can be no catastrophic boost spikes like a turbo can have if there is a vac line that falls off or the waste gate sticks closed.

The other advantage is that your oil will not be super heated by the turbo when using the JRSC, and no additional loi lines or return lines need to be added.

All in all the installation for the JRSC is much simpler than the Turbo, and with an intercooled manifold (now being sold) you can reach turbo output but with much more usable power.

 

i could be wrong, but i do belive superchargers like cams. at least the exhaust cam anyways.

 

Ok for the sake of argument. Which one will make more torque. Assuming that both make 250whp power. Stock GSR

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=560908

 

jrsc seems like the way to go for you. my bro has it on his crx and nothing but good has come outa it. no maintence or anything. reliable... thats why i vote for it.

 

JRSC because they sound cool...

 

I find it ironic how the JRSC is ahead in the poll, but then again the only poll choice for turbo is the Drag kit

 

If i was to go SC i would go vortech no questions asked. But im happy with my current turbo setup.

 

Only probelm with the Vortech is that it runs off of the Timing belt. Puts more stress on a more crucial part. I dont mind the JRSC because it has its own belt. But when it has to use the Timing belt that is a little different I think. Maybe I am wrong but just what I think. If I am correct me please.

 

the vortech doesnt run off the timing belt!

wait.

"Due to packaging constraints, Vortech uses an extended supercharger drive that runs across the front of the engine, connecting the blower to the cam belt pulley. A custom cast aluminum bracket (which includes a bolt-through for power steering hose fittings) locates the driveshaft for the cam belt pulley, and is supported by billet anodized, aluminum hardware. Hayashi cam gears were installed on this car as well, though they haven't been used yet for tuning. The V-5 receives fresh, cold air through a molded plastic pipe which locates a K&N air filter behind the front bumper and in front of the fender liner.
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what? does it really run off the timing belt?

 

for the sake of simplicity, the jrsc will beat out every turbo that i know because its arguably just a bolt on. id have to go with the jrsc for reliability, but it wont outlast a turbo by longshot. personally, id go with the jrsc because tq is more fun than hp in my opinion. depends on your application; daily driver with the occaisonal fun run: jrsc, competition-only: turbo. i wont go with vortech. since theyre a centrifugal sc, youll experience whats known on turbos as turbo lag (no power in low rpms due to the turbine needing to spool up and produce boost); if you want split second power on demand, go with the jrsc since its a screw type sc.

 

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It's no more a bolt-on then a turbo! How do you figure the jrsc will beat out every turbo that you know? In what aspect? Not all I can guarantee that.

 

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It's no more a bolt-on then a turbo! How do you figure the jrsc will beat out every turbo that you know? In what aspect? Not all I can guarantee that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think he meant that the jrsc will beat turbos as far as simplicity of installation. I would have to agree with that, but I don't think anyone should pick a jrsc over a turbo just because it is easier to install.