f22b cam kit
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Re: f22b cam kit (jonastus)
camshafts? which ones?
the gude head package (tb, camshaft, and some head work) claims 15-20hp but you know how that usually goes.
i guess 7-10 hp would be about max for just the cam.
the gude head package (tb, camshaft, and some head work) claims 15-20hp but you know how that usually goes.
i guess 7-10 hp would be about max for just the cam.
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Re: f22b cam kit (jonastus)
Stay the HELL away from GUDE - Do a SEARCH.
WEB has some really good cams for the F-series, check them out.
http://www.webcamshafts.com
If you go too wild on the cam, your going to need to upgrade your valvetrain, and that costs REAL $$$ for the F-series. I believe Ferrea is the only company offering the parts. You'll also need some headwork and the basic bolt-ons to take advantage of the more aggressive cam profile. You can have WEB do a mild regrind for aroud $200, and see some extra power without having to change anything, or having to worry about tearing up something.
WEB has some really good cams for the F-series, check them out.
http://www.webcamshafts.com
If you go too wild on the cam, your going to need to upgrade your valvetrain, and that costs REAL $$$ for the F-series. I believe Ferrea is the only company offering the parts. You'll also need some headwork and the basic bolt-ons to take advantage of the more aggressive cam profile. You can have WEB do a mild regrind for aroud $200, and see some extra power without having to change anything, or having to worry about tearing up something.
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Re: f22b cam kit (RABBIT9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RABBIT9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stay the HELL away from GUDE - Do a SEARCH.
WEB has some really good cams for the F-series, check them out.
http://www.webcamshafts.com
If you go too wild on the cam, your going to need to upgrade your valvetrain, and that costs REAL $$$ for the F-series. I believe Ferrea is the only company offering the parts. You'll also need some headwork and the basic bolt-ons to take advantage of the more aggressive cam profile. You can have WEB do a mild regrind for aroud $200, and see some extra power without having to change anything, or having to worry about tearing up something.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually as it has been tested/questioned and answered:
Ef-1.com would technically have Retainers for the F/H series available: Email me for more info, i am currently working with them on building a valvetrain setup for the F/H Series motors
WEB has some really good cams for the F-series, check them out.
http://www.webcamshafts.com
If you go too wild on the cam, your going to need to upgrade your valvetrain, and that costs REAL $$$ for the F-series. I believe Ferrea is the only company offering the parts. You'll also need some headwork and the basic bolt-ons to take advantage of the more aggressive cam profile. You can have WEB do a mild regrind for aroud $200, and see some extra power without having to change anything, or having to worry about tearing up something.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually as it has been tested/questioned and answered:
Ef-1.com would technically have Retainers for the F/H series available: Email me for more info, i am currently working with them on building a valvetrain setup for the F/H Series motors
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Re: f22b cam kit (KTeller8)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KTeller8 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Actually as it has been tested/questioned and answered:
Ef-1.com would technically have Retainers for the F/H series available: Email me for more info, i am currently working with them on building a valvetrain setup for the F/H Series motors</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah.. but how much are they gonna cost? Over $300?
From what I've seen there are 3-4 places that have F springs in stock and you are looking at a minimum of $300... and in most cases it's closer to $450...
It just irks me that I have to pay B series prices even for a regrind...you don't need Ti retainers to rev to 7k on an F series...
I'm trying to get an Hseries portflow valvespring setup to work with my Delta reground F cam...
Anyways, to answer the original question... as far as cams go you can get your cam core reground for $85-$200+ and I think KMS is listing a billet F22 cam now fro $700 or so...
power gains from just a cam/valvetrain upgrade are not really documented/dynoed... so it's anyone's guess really... but the numbers being thrown around as of late are 7-10 hp... but I would guess it's more like between 5-15 depending on the specs/setup/tuning...the more mods you have the more gains you'll see...
but from personal experience...the gains are pretty good, but daily drivability goes down as you get more aggressive...
Actually as it has been tested/questioned and answered:
Ef-1.com would technically have Retainers for the F/H series available: Email me for more info, i am currently working with them on building a valvetrain setup for the F/H Series motors</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah.. but how much are they gonna cost? Over $300?
From what I've seen there are 3-4 places that have F springs in stock and you are looking at a minimum of $300... and in most cases it's closer to $450...
It just irks me that I have to pay B series prices even for a regrind...you don't need Ti retainers to rev to 7k on an F series...
I'm trying to get an Hseries portflow valvespring setup to work with my Delta reground F cam...
Anyways, to answer the original question... as far as cams go you can get your cam core reground for $85-$200+ and I think KMS is listing a billet F22 cam now fro $700 or so...
power gains from just a cam/valvetrain upgrade are not really documented/dynoed... so it's anyone's guess really... but the numbers being thrown around as of late are 7-10 hp... but I would guess it's more like between 5-15 depending on the specs/setup/tuning...the more mods you have the more gains you'll see...
but from personal experience...the gains are pretty good, but daily drivability goes down as you get more aggressive...
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Re: f22b cam kit (ZigenBallz)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZigenBallz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yeah.. but how much are they gonna cost? Over $300?
From what I've seen there are 3-4 places that have F springs in stock and you are looking at a minimum of $300... and in most cases it's closer to $450...
It just irks me that I have to pay B series prices even for a regrind...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually No i am working on great items at a low cost:
This would be a typical sell price or close to:
Ef-1 Retainers: priced 125 Retail: 140
Ef-1 Springs: priced 150 Retail: 170
Ef-1 Valves: priced 270 Retial: 295
EF-1 Regrind: Round 225-260: Depending on final cost:
Yeah.. but how much are they gonna cost? Over $300?
From what I've seen there are 3-4 places that have F springs in stock and you are looking at a minimum of $300... and in most cases it's closer to $450...
It just irks me that I have to pay B series prices even for a regrind...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually No i am working on great items at a low cost:
This would be a typical sell price or close to:
Ef-1 Retainers: priced 125 Retail: 140
Ef-1 Springs: priced 150 Retail: 170
Ef-1 Valves: priced 270 Retial: 295
EF-1 Regrind: Round 225-260: Depending on final cost:
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Re: f22b cam kit (KTeller8)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KTeller8 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Actually No i am working on great items at a low cost:
This would be a typical sell price or close to:
Ef-1 Retainers: priced 125 Retail: 140
Ef-1 Springs: priced 150 Retail: 170
Ef-1 Valves: priced 270 Retial: 295
EF-1 Regrind: Round 225-260: Depending on final cost:
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hmmm, those spring prices aren't bad...
Are these springs compatible with stock retainers? Dual? Single? F specific or are the H springs basically the same as F? Any more specific specs? Max lift? Spring pressures? installed height? OD?
I think you might have your first customer...
Actually No i am working on great items at a low cost:
This would be a typical sell price or close to:
Ef-1 Retainers: priced 125 Retail: 140
Ef-1 Springs: priced 150 Retail: 170
Ef-1 Valves: priced 270 Retial: 295
EF-1 Regrind: Round 225-260: Depending on final cost:
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hmmm, those spring prices aren't bad...
Are these springs compatible with stock retainers? Dual? Single? F specific or are the H springs basically the same as F? Any more specific specs? Max lift? Spring pressures? installed height? OD?
I think you might have your first customer...
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I still would need at least two to three weeks, to make sure all the details/specs/availablity are in order before anyone orders:
These are ef-1 Speed Stable Springs. Guaranteed for life to over 10K rpms.
- Chrome-Silicon Steel Wire
- Shot Peened
- Ultra Straight and Square (prevents side loading of valves/guides)
- Speed Stable Inner Spring/Dampener
- Tight fit to Stock and most aftermarket retainers
- 95lbs on the seat and 265lbs at 12mm lift.
Note: Higher tension/lift springs are a must for valvetrain life even with stock cams.
Just a bit of info on their current b springs:
These are ef-1 Speed Stable Springs. Guaranteed for life to over 10K rpms.
- Chrome-Silicon Steel Wire
- Shot Peened
- Ultra Straight and Square (prevents side loading of valves/guides)
- Speed Stable Inner Spring/Dampener
- Tight fit to Stock and most aftermarket retainers
- 95lbs on the seat and 265lbs at 12mm lift.
Note: Higher tension/lift springs are a must for valvetrain life even with stock cams.
Just a bit of info on their current b springs:
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Re: (KTeller8)
I've posted about this on AD too, but uhh.. can they scale back on the spring kit???? Heh I don't need double springs.. I mean jesus I can't spin those rpm's 
If I tried I'd be picking up the pieces in the oil pan for a week.
If I tried I'd be picking up the pieces in the oil pan for a week.
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Re: (GimpyAccord)
im staying w/ stock springs until i prove they cant take the abuse of a larger cam.
F series guys need to face the facts, big nasty cams w/ high power bands and stock bottom ends DO NOT go hand in hand. i'll take a cam that peaks @6800 all day long over a cam that peaks anywhere higher. people that think valves, springs, retainers, etc., are going to ensure safer revving capabilities on an F series are nuts. those parts are only a piece of the puzzle and very smalle piece at that.
the best valvetrain in the universe cant change or help the fact that the F22 has one of the the absolute worst R/S ratios. revving an F22 must past 6800 repeatedly is going to equal cracked sleeves, worn pistons, and jacked rings.
a big factor to consider is valve springs and retainers dont produce power unless you have a cam that is so big and nasty that your stock springs can even handle it.
F series guys need to face the facts, big nasty cams w/ high power bands and stock bottom ends DO NOT go hand in hand. i'll take a cam that peaks @6800 all day long over a cam that peaks anywhere higher. people that think valves, springs, retainers, etc., are going to ensure safer revving capabilities on an F series are nuts. those parts are only a piece of the puzzle and very smalle piece at that.
the best valvetrain in the universe cant change or help the fact that the F22 has one of the the absolute worst R/S ratios. revving an F22 must past 6800 repeatedly is going to equal cracked sleeves, worn pistons, and jacked rings.
a big factor to consider is valve springs and retainers dont produce power unless you have a cam that is so big and nasty that your stock springs can even handle it.
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Re: (kentucky accord)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kentucky accord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im staying w/ stock springs until i prove they cant take the abuse of a larger cam.
F series guys need to face the facts, big nasty cams w/ high power bands and stock bottom ends DO NOT go hand in hand. i'll take a cam that peaks @6800 all day long over a cam that peaks anywhere higher. people that think valves, springs, retainers, etc., are going to ensure safer revving capabilities on an F series are nuts. those parts are only a piece of the puzzle and very smalle piece at that.
the best valvetrain in the universe cant change or help the fact that the F22 has one of the the absolute worst R/S ratios. revving an F22 must past 6800 repeatedly is going to equal cracked sleeves, worn pistons, and jacked rings.
a big factor to consider is valve springs and retainers dont produce power unless you have a cam that is so big and nasty that your stock springs can even handle it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
That proof that you were speaking of is gonna cost you a lot of money...
F series guys need to face the facts, big nasty cams w/ high power bands and stock bottom ends DO NOT go hand in hand. i'll take a cam that peaks @6800 all day long over a cam that peaks anywhere higher. people that think valves, springs, retainers, etc., are going to ensure safer revving capabilities on an F series are nuts. those parts are only a piece of the puzzle and very smalle piece at that.
the best valvetrain in the universe cant change or help the fact that the F22 has one of the the absolute worst R/S ratios. revving an F22 must past 6800 repeatedly is going to equal cracked sleeves, worn pistons, and jacked rings.
a big factor to consider is valve springs and retainers dont produce power unless you have a cam that is so big and nasty that your stock springs can even handle it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
That proof that you were speaking of is gonna cost you a lot of money...
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Re: (ZigenBallz)
i hope not. if it does though, it just gives me a reason to get rid of my junk head, lol.
btw Zig, i wasnt pointing fingers at anyone. i would just hate to see someone upping their rev limit to maximize usable cam power at the cost of the stock bottom end.
the D series Gude headpackage removes the rev limit and claims its most commonly sold cam makes power to 8300 or so. the D series r/s ratio is a bit better than ours and i have seen 3 cracked sleeves in those motors when the hammer is dropped to 8k on a regular basis.
a pimp valvetrain cant do anything if the bottom cant take it.
btw Zig, i wasnt pointing fingers at anyone. i would just hate to see someone upping their rev limit to maximize usable cam power at the cost of the stock bottom end.
the D series Gude headpackage removes the rev limit and claims its most commonly sold cam makes power to 8300 or so. the D series r/s ratio is a bit better than ours and i have seen 3 cracked sleeves in those motors when the hammer is dropped to 8k on a regular basis.
a pimp valvetrain cant do anything if the bottom cant take it.
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Re: (kentucky accord)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kentucky accord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i hope not. if it does though, it just gives me a reason to get rid of my junk head, lol.
btw Zig, i wasnt pointing fingers at anyone. i would just hate to see someone upping their rev limit to maximize usable cam power at the cost of the stock bottom end.
the D series Gude headpackage removes the rev limit and claims its most commonly sold cam makes power to 8300 or so. the D series r/s ratio is a bit better than ours and i have seen 3 cracked sleeves in those motors when the hammer is dropped to 8k on a regular basis.
a pimp valvetrain cant do anything if the bottom cant take it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
True... very true.
The r/s ratio is why I'm building the F20A SOHC and not the F22A...I like to rev. But I'm still not going to be going over 7000-7500rpms... but I'd never do that on my F22...I stick to 6000.
The Gude stuff always kind of gave me a bad feeling... for $1500 you'd think the valvetrain would've been reworked a bit... like JG does... but that's a whole other never-ending debate that I don't want any part of...
I didn't think you were pointing fingers really... the springs are really just a preventative measure when putting a new cam in...especially my mean streak cam...
btw Zig, i wasnt pointing fingers at anyone. i would just hate to see someone upping their rev limit to maximize usable cam power at the cost of the stock bottom end.
the D series Gude headpackage removes the rev limit and claims its most commonly sold cam makes power to 8300 or so. the D series r/s ratio is a bit better than ours and i have seen 3 cracked sleeves in those motors when the hammer is dropped to 8k on a regular basis.
a pimp valvetrain cant do anything if the bottom cant take it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
True... very true.
The r/s ratio is why I'm building the F20A SOHC and not the F22A...I like to rev. But I'm still not going to be going over 7000-7500rpms... but I'd never do that on my F22...I stick to 6000.
The Gude stuff always kind of gave me a bad feeling... for $1500 you'd think the valvetrain would've been reworked a bit... like JG does... but that's a whole other never-ending debate that I don't want any part of...
I didn't think you were pointing fingers really... the springs are really just a preventative measure when putting a new cam in...especially my mean streak cam...
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Re: (f22a)
1.48 is really bad, ... talk about side loading.
The engine I'm thinking of building is 1.52, not GREAT but at the same time the B18C1 is 1.54 and can safely spin 8500 which is more/about what I want to spin.
I'm planning on using a H22A crank w/F length rods for a cheap destroke to 2.06L
I also plan on pinning the block in an attempt to keep the rods from making a suprise guest appearance in my engine bay.
The engine I'm thinking of building is 1.52, not GREAT but at the same time the B18C1 is 1.54 and can safely spin 8500 which is more/about what I want to spin.
I'm planning on using a H22A crank w/F length rods for a cheap destroke to 2.06L
I also plan on pinning the block in an attempt to keep the rods from making a suprise guest appearance in my engine bay.
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Re: (GimpyAccord)
you better get some bearings that can support that kind of rpm gimpy, or else they will be making a guest appearance in your engine bay...but in all practicality, why build an f22 up NA when it's probably equally priced and more powerful to go forced induction...sorry if i'm the buz kill, but it just seems more logical...yeah, i admit, you guys may be taking the route less traveled, but that doesn't make it practical...
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Re: (GimpyAccord)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GimpyAccord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1.48 is really bad, ... talk about side loading.
The engine I'm thinking of building is 1.52, not GREAT but at the same time the B18C1 is 1.54 and can safely spin 8500 which is more/about what I want to spin.
I'm planning on using a H22A crank w/F length rods for a cheap destroke to 2.06L
I also plan on pinning the block in an attempt to keep the rods from making a suprise guest appearance in my engine bay.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What engine are you talking about?
I too, would like to go naturally aspirated.
The engine I'm thinking of building is 1.52, not GREAT but at the same time the B18C1 is 1.54 and can safely spin 8500 which is more/about what I want to spin.
I'm planning on using a H22A crank w/F length rods for a cheap destroke to 2.06L
I also plan on pinning the block in an attempt to keep the rods from making a suprise guest appearance in my engine bay.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What engine are you talking about?
I too, would like to go naturally aspirated.
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Re: (f22a)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by f22a »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What engine are you talking about?
I too, would like to go naturally aspirated.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think the Gimp is planning this on an F22A block w/F22B1 VTEC head???
What about the rods? Custom or modified stockers?
What engine are you talking about?
I too, would like to go naturally aspirated.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think the Gimp is planning this on an F22A block w/F22B1 VTEC head???
What about the rods? Custom or modified stockers?
