hey, i have already gotten my brake/hub swap outta the way, st rear sway should be ordered soon from mike, next on the list-o-race parts is wheels/tires. now, i will be daily driving this car as well, and dont expect to win events, just have a damm good time doin it!!!

w/ that said, what ideas on wheels do yall have, i want bronze only... but i need some help on size and price and style of wheel... i want somehting lightweight, but i cant pay really over 700 bux w/ wheels/tires.

i work at discoutn tire as much of u know, but i dont get **** for a discount, cept MAYBE on tires, which i will prolly get from work. so, what wheels and form where, please any help is appreciated

btw i have a 5th gen 5sp accord....

 

15x6.5 rotas, 205/50/15 falken azenis.

from what you describe, this really is the only choice.

 

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Sounds like a cheap, proven, and effective suggestion to me.

 

ok, so some 17s woul dbe completely outta the question then? if so, why would the 17s be bad. and if 17s are bad, would 16s be ok to use?

how bout some yoko avid h4's, those any good? anyone know the treadwear on the azenis or the h4's?

 

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anything heavier is going to slow you down. 17's are going to be heavier and tires are going to be more expensive. Pretty much sucks on every level.

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You will get a whole season of autocross out of the azenis, probably more. Just keep your stock wheels + all seasons around for wintertime. You really cant compare azenis to an all season tire anyways.

 

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depends on who is driving. I tear tires up. 5 weeks on my mx's and they are down to 4/32's already.

when i had azenis they lasted 9k miles and 4 months and about 3 auto-x's on them.

All my wear is completely even and not the results of a bad alignment as most might assume from such heavy wear.

 

Yikes.

Last year i got 7-8 track weekends on my azenis with about 6000 street miles. And they still werent dead after that.

 

Tear it up Ryan, tear it up.

 

I got a set of 15x6.5 Konig Heliums in bronze with hubcentric rings for $450 shipped from http://www.good-win-racing.com. They're now wrapped in Falken Azenis I previously had. Goodwin Racing says the rims are 11.4 pounds each. I haven't had the opportunity to weigh them myself, but the UPS slip said the boxes were 24 pounds (two rims per box). I only plan to have these rims mounted for autocrosses, but I don't see why you couldn't use them every day.

 

well, i can get the 17" heliums for 100 bux apiece form work plus tax and cheapo shipping, but i just dont think that the 15s will be right on the ol' accord... they dont look right on such a big car, and using the shorter sidewalls i will likely scrape even more on tally crap roads. plus, im worried about clearing my bigger rotors/calipers behind any aftermarket 15s.

its down bn the rota subzeros or the konig heliums. what are yur opinions of these. mind you, i will not be using azenis just cause i cant afford to go through a set of tires in under a year... car wont even see road course till next sumemr anyways just cause i will still need to tune the suspension b4 it sees any real track time...

edit: i get the subzeroes and the heliums for like a buck difference in price...

 

If your looking for looks, and you like the 17's, why are you posting in the road race and autocross forum? Seems like most people here will agree that 15's are the best for the track and 17's are an absolute no no. That's my $.02. Good luck!

 

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Here's my experience with 195/60R14 Azenis.

 

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another concern like i said b4 was scraping all over w/ the 15s and shorter sidewalls, not to mention clearing my bigger brakes.. i dont wanna get some 15" heliums only to find out that im dragging on the ground and the wheels hardly/barely fit cause of the calipers. if anyone here is running a 5th gen accord w/ a 1.5-1.75" drop and 205/50/15 tires and they fit, lemmie know..

my springs/shicks are just too soft for such a small wheel..

 

As to using the Azenis for daily-sure they are legal and will work fine. Keep in mind that they are a 200 treadwear rated tire and their use in the winter is discouraged. Anopther thing-it is my opinion and experience that going more than +1 on the wheel/tire combo is not a good thing overall. You need some sidewall at cornering speeds. The Azenis is a stiff sidewall to begin with and less is not really good. I will agree that using a somewhat wider rim is not bad in the least. It also gives you the opportunity to change the Offset to gain a little bit of "track" dimension. Our CRX Si race car is on 195-60R14 Azenis mounted on AR Carrera/Motegi MR12 rims that are 6" wide and the tires are very happy. The Civic HB, when I had it was moved from 14" to 15" and the width increased to 7"- really much better overall with the suspension package we installed. I do not think you will be doing any good by going to a 17" rim.
You said this is a combination car and that should be the focus. Our cars were set up to race and must follow rules that actually state what the limits on wheels are.
Good luck

 

well i wouldnt use azenis just cause these will be the daily driving ones, if i must i can dismount the daily ones and mount up some azenis on the rims cause i sling tires for a job hehe i think ima go with a 16" rota subzero just because it is lighter than the stock wheels by far, and this way i KNOW it will clear the brakes i got on there now.

 

Which brakes do you have on your car?

 

i have itr size rotors/calipers and rotor over hub swap on my 95 accord. i had to file down the bleeder valves to get them to clear the 15" stock ex wheel... ill post a pic soon....

am i the only one who has got such rusty rotors/calipers? god i hate florida..

 

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You have a lot of time on your hands. Nice data though.

 

Get 15s and 205/50/15 Azenis.

Koseis or Rotas will easily clear your brakes. I was worried you were running a big brake kit of some kind, but the OEM brakes you have will fit under 15" wheels without incident.

Getting wheels bigger than 15" will be detrimental to performance.

 

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You need to worry about tuning the driver, not the car.

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15s have larger sidewalls than 17s (with overall diameter remaining constant).

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Spring/shocks have nothing to do with wheel size.

 

since you have an Accord and accord has huge overall diameter wheels, you should go for 16" definatly. And don't even think about 205/50/15 - it will be way too smal, it's not even rigth diameter for 6th gen civic, which would be more 205/55/15 instead.
Just find an online Tire size calculator and see what you need.
I'm sure that there are not many people here racing accords with big wheels, and that is why everyone talks about 15" with 50 sidewall - that's not what you need. your,s wil be something 16" with 50-50 sidewall to have the right size

 

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Ummm... wow. I cant beleive you did that.

 

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Ditto here.

If I were you, poster, I would buy some azenis for the stock wheels, and get some bling bling 17's for the street. It seems like thats what you need to do to be happy.

For autocrossing, you probably cant go too small as far as overall diameter. And those 15" azenis are not small by any means. I believe they could even be called 215/50-15, as their over all diamter and width is larger than a typical 205/50-15.

Anyways those are my thoughts on your situation. If you get a good deal on some used 17's you could pull it off for $700. I guess another option is to compromise and go with 16's. BTW what kind of brakes do you have that they don't fit under 15 inch wheels?

 

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