Do you guys have any recommendations for a 2000 USDM Type R Tranny Transmission Oil? I believe my helms manual (covers integra GSR but not Type R) says SP grade 10W-30 or 10W-40. The regular stuff I bought at checker was a valvoline GL grade 75W-90. What is the difference in the GL standard vs. SP? Also, I believe the 75W-90 will not provide the viscosity I need when engine is warming up, correct? Someone recommended Redline... I will primarily be road racing the car. I did check some prices - $7.95 per quart for Redline MTL From Carroll Shelby Racing in Phoenix, Arizona, and $3.99 per quart for the Honda MTF from Bell Honda. I would need around 3-4 quarts for a complete drain. As long as the Honda MTF will stand up to the rigours of road racing, I will probably go with the Honda MTF. I did read up on the Redline MTL properties on the redlineoil.com website and must say it sounded quite impressive, but do I really need it? What do you guys think?
Do I need a special tranny oil because my tranny has a Limited Slip?
I'm open to any other brand recommedations too... Thanks...

 

I just spoke to Bell Acura in Phoenix and their parts department said the Type R tranny takes the same Honda MTF Tranny Fluid as other Honda manual transmissions without LSDs. I thought the Type R tranny might need a different oil as LSDs are supposed to generate more heat... Any second opinions?

 

Honda MTF

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by py1188 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honda MTF </TD></TR></TABLE>



I track my ITR (~2K actual track miles) and my NSX (~9K actual track miles). In the first few years I had my NSX, I tried different fluids - synthetic motor oil once, and Redline MTL once. I didn't notice any difference in performance between either of those and Honda MTF. Since then I have been using only Honda MTF in both cars, with excellent results. Including lots of track use.

HTH



Modified by nsxtasy at 6:29 PM 7/14/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by py1188 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honda MTF </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

A few weeks ago there were SEVERAL Tranny Oil threads on this subject. I would suggest a search to get the full story but most people said that 3 quarts of Honda MTF was the best for use on the tranny.

 

Ok, thanks guys for your input. I will probably stick with Honda MTF. Happy driving...

 

I've seen a couple itr guys recommend GM synchromesh mtf, especially if your synchro's are going bad.

 

honda mtf!

 

from page 2 in the ITR section of this board!!!!!!!! under "3rd gear grind...again"

Remember...search function is your friend!




Part Number: #12377916

The "friction modified" stuff on the left of above picture, in the square/rectangular bottle...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by py1188 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honda MTF </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

No I think it was a general statement directed to the poster. I am one to believe in the search function and I encourage people to do a search before posting again the same topic, BUT I guess I don't get so annoied as some others.

I suggested a search cause the last topic I read on this subject was VERY helpful. I'd say 4 of 5 ITR owners use Honda MTF and recommend it almost as a given.
I think the Amount of Fluid used is also KEY and Most are using 3 vs 2.3 quarts and I did the same and I noticed a BIG difference in my Tranny.

You can point out the search function, but lets not make it like the Civic forum here. It's all in delivery. If you take the time to post "DO A SEARCH!!!" Take the time to suggest a thread or a search string. "Do a Search on Honda MTF." or something like that.

 

panykus,

where you located in Phoenix?

I am in Tempe

Bell is good but I suggest going to the new Tempe Acura dealership, VERY VERY nice and extremely helpful/friendly.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spoond TEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I think the Amount of Fluid used is also KEY and Most are using 3 vs 2.3 quarts and I did the same and I noticed a BIG difference in my Tranny. </TD></TR></TABLE>
A little OT, but what difference did you notice in your tranny? With 3 quarts, was it a bad or good difference? I would assume that it is a bad difference, but can you clarify? TIA.

 

I had my tranny oil changed at the Acura Dealership in Markham, Ontario last Friday. I was talking to the Parts Manager about Tranny Oil and he says that
Honda MTF is the best for my car (daily driver). He also said they get a lot of cars coming in with other types of oils and because of that causing a lot of problems.
He also recommended the Red Line MTL as another viable alternative but if you willing to pay $$$$.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nightrider &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
A little OT, but what difference did you notice in your tranny? With 3 quarts, was it a bad or good difference? I would assume that it is a bad difference, but can you clarify? TIA. </TD></TR></TABLE>

ttt

And where do you get mtf and what does it stand for????
I have a slight grind sometimes from 2 to 3. Do you think new fluid would help. Would more fluid help???

matt

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spoond TEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A few weeks ago there were SEVERAL Tranny Oil threads on this subject. I would suggest a search to get the full story but most people said that 3 quarts of Honda MTF was the best for use on the tranny.</TD></TR></TABLE>

How does one overfill the tranny to that extent? Fill through the speed sensor?

 

MTF = Manual Transmission Fluid.

Use it

How to overfill? By filling through the Speed Sensor hole.

 

I assume if you fill through the correct hole; just fill till fluid pours out and you are at the appropriate amount. This correct?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by onyx00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I assume if you fill through the correct hole; just fill till fluid pours out and you are at the appropriate amount. This correct?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yep. That's the correct amount.
If you have the hose pointing down into the fill hole, you get just about as much as you can in there before it starts to pour out.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by onyx00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I assume if you fill through the correct hole; just fill till fluid pours out and you are at the appropriate amount. This correct?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, that is correct

 

I'm assuming the reason some folks are talking about 2.3 quarts and others are talking about 3.0 quarts is that you buy 3 quarts (because they sell it by the quart) and you pour 2.3 quarts into the tranny, at which point it's full. And you save the extra 0.7 quart for next time or another car...

 

For that 2nd to 3rd grind. Try checking your clutch fluid. I have to replace it about every 1500 miles. The fluid turns black and leaves a residue in the resivore. I can feel a big difference in the way it shifts. I also have the same proplem with my wifes Si, it just doesn't occur as often.

 

I had a second to third grind in my other car (the one with the ~9K track miles). The great folks at Acura of Brookfield opened up the tranny and found that the teeth on the third gear hub selector had worn down and flattened. So if the fluid doesn't fix it, this might be the cause. It's not cheap to fix, because it takes them an entire day or two to open up the tranny.

This is what many folks are referring to when they say the synchros are going. There are actually three "gears" (that's what I call them - metal parts with teeth) that need to line up to get into any particular gear. First is the hub selector, then is the synchro, then is the transmission gear itself. So the teeth on the hub selector are the first to wear down.

HTH

 

IF my Synchros go, I hope that it happens before my warranty is up. I only have 22k on the car. I took it to the dealer for the problem that I was having. But I had to drive 70 miles to get the closest one. The day I went I didn't have no problems out of it. I think it had maybe 10k on it then.