if i run a good 6 to 7 psi on my stock accord(f22b2) do i have to buy a Safc or can i just use a good fmu like a vortech 8 to 1??

 

sounds like you aint gonna do the internal works first.

at least get a safc, greddy emanage to lean that sucka out.

 

ok, so basically i should get the safc, but what if i just put the turbo on my car and get the thing later and get it tuned using my gauges for air/ fuel ratio? well that work?

 

Yes you can do that.

but something i know from experience i would like you to know also.

your Air/Fuel guage is a piece of useless junk, because the accord o2 sensor is narrow band so the reading is not accurate.

for turbo on budget(7psi MAX imo)
safc-$250
fmu-12:1-$100
High fuel fuel pump 256lph-$100
Map sensor check valve-$50

have it dyno tuned by professional-$500

 

if you're just putting a turbo on and not doing anything else to it ever again.. i suggest the hondata s100b with the p28 ecu.. your car will be happy..

 

wow, hum well both ideas arnt bad but u see i live on an island and we have no dyno here so we cant test the car. how do u supposed we test the car???? i mean air fuel ratio??? how do i check it, what other ways are there to check it?? exhaust temp???

 

aem has a plug-and-play EMS unit, that with a wideband O2 sensor and you can use it to automatically tune your car for a target air/ratio. i doubt this is would be considered a budget option, but seeing as a good dyno could run you upwards of $500, it might not be too bad a choice.

 

i think for the AEM, he's paying for all the features and he's not even going to use half of them....so it woild be a waste of money for him IMO

 

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Yeah if he isn't going to use those features a 500 dollar dyno too is much less than 1000 dollar EMS and about that for a wideband o2 sensor.

 

hmm..i got hte aem and its real fun to learn (sarcastic). the wideband o2 from aem is about 325 so its not too bad.

 

Buy a po6 ecu
read this site, http://www.pgmfi.org, until you have memorized it.
socket said po6
burn turbo h22a rom onto chip
install chip in ecu socket
go test
go back and work out the bugs through home tuning.

just be careful what you do to it. and the reason for the po6 over the p28 ecu is simply because the po6 is a non-vtec ecu.

all of this will cost you no more than $400. that's for ALL parts you'd need.

 

I also want to add boost to my 1990 lx accord and I have no idea when to begin as far as picking a turbo and manafold etc.... Does anyone know how to set up a kit for the f22....?

 

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Wow, I didn't know that you could find wideband o2 sensors for that cheap. That is good news Ive never used EMS, but I have heard it is tough.

 

Buy "Maximum Boost", by Corky Bell, learn the physics and chemistry of a turbo. It's not like a cold air intake where you just plug it in.

Then hack up $500-$750 for a T3/T4 turbo, DSM is great and all but there is little room for upgrade, buy manifold for turbo, external wastegate, intercooler, all piping, upgrade fuel, injection, and ignition systems. then when you have all that maybe a neat little BOV (blow off valve). finally tune.

In the end, to do it right you will end up spending as much money as on an engine swap, h22a. There probably are shortcuts and ways to do it for under $1000 but you will run into problems since they are mostly junkyard parts, not bashing the junkyard its a great place and all but, do it right and you wont have to do it again.

Hope that answers your question

 

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That is an EXCELLENT book. By far one of the best I've studied.

 

o dam all this sounds complicated, this sucks, i was hoping that the fum would do a good job matching the fuel to the air but thats not going to work. well i see my options are the new ecu, the safc, and the aem unit. lets just see how my car runs with the turbo and the fum, i think i will most likely get the safc. good idea right???

 

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it'll help, but it's definetly not the best option. i'd research what you wanna do a little more before you plunk down the cash for a turbo, it's a big investment that will only end in a blown engine if you dont do it right....fum?

 

so than in your opinion what is the best option?? a stand alone computer like aem, or a piggy back like the emanage??? i just cant afford to spend 1000 dollers on the aem thats my prob.

 

Thanks for the info everyone, I guess my best bet would to just stick with the small upgrades like intake,exhaust etc... That all sounds to be alot of work and headace all in one..Oh well I just won't get to be the fasest but I should be able to keep up with bolt ons.

 

Since you're strapped for cash go with the SAFC and see how it runs, if it doesnt work pull the turbo off and at least you have a nice little monitoring system.

what kind of turbo??

 

lol, wow this sucks, spend thousands of dollers on a turbo to find out it might not work, this really bites. o well any other tips to tune the turbo on my accord???

 

lol this is funny... **** paying 500 for a "pro" tuning... I will buy a wideband setup for about 150 bucks less and I can tune it as the setup changes until I am blue in the face.

although you got to remember you got to pay to play.

I cant believe you just are like, well shucks looks like I got to give up.

you can get a fuel pump for 85-90 bucks walbro 255, you can get a fmu for damn near nothing all day long in the classifieds, afc is not something you wanna cheap out on so buck up to it... or start saving for a standalone.

 

No offense intended but you really shouldn't have bought the turbo without knowing what you were in for.

I re-read my book and from what I can tell, if you are under 9-10 psi of boost then you should be able to get away with the stock ecu. Just buy a fuel pressure regulator and another fuel pump. Since you have more o2 then you need more fuel, just try to keep your air/fuel ratio acceptable while under boost. Sorry I don't know that much about tuning but... Corky Bell does.

If you buy the book all your questions will be answered, I promise, and if you still have questions go to the "turbo" forum and read.

 

didnt know it was that much... thanks