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Old Jul 7, 2003 | 05:27 PM
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I just had my AZENIS installed and they tell me... "sir your car does not have any adjustments to alighn the wheels"... IS THIS TRUE? I have never heard of such a thing.

Also, I am not sure if anybody else experienced the car feeling a little unstable above 75 with brand new AZENIS tires. On the way home I hit the highway and when I reached 75+ the car felt a little uneasy... Could this be from overinflation or because the tires are new. (I had them balanced "Performance")

BTW: 205/50/15 Stock wheels | H&R sport springs.

Thanks for the info...
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Old Jul 7, 2003 | 05:44 PM
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1. run away from that shop
2. yes Azenis feel floaty until you scrub them in due to the thick tread blocks (feel like snow tires-ish)
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Old Jul 7, 2003 | 06:18 PM
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Default Re: Can our cars be aligned?? :hammer: (TypeR 01 886)

There is no provision for the stock suspension to adjust your camber, which is probably out of spec since your car is lowered. Out-of-spec camber is something they would want to adjust if they have a guarantee on the alignment (or perhaps for the tire guarantee).

Other than that, your car is perfectly alignable.
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Old Jul 7, 2003 | 06:55 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TypeR 01 886 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(I had them balanced "Performance")</TD></TR></TABLE>

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Old Jul 7, 2003 | 08:50 PM
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Your camber is good. Anything under -3 degrees is fine for the street/autocross/HPDEs if you have zero toe. Keep it below -2* if you only drive it on the street though, but zero toe. Tires will last a while and turn-in will be excellent.

Take it to an alignment shop and tell them to zero your toe(should be good for a FWD car) all around.
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 05:58 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

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How should I have them balanced? I gret free balance and roatation for life of tires.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MK Ultra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
There is no provision for the stock suspension to adjust your camber</TD></TR></TABLE>

Can I have a little more feed back just to solidify this. I cannot adjust my camber/caster at all?

But I can adjust toe in/out etc??? (little more info)
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 06:04 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TypeR 01 886 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Can I have a little more feed back just to solidify this. I cannot adjust my camber/caster at all?

But I can adjust toe in/out etc??? (little more info)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct camber is not adjustable from stock, you can add washer to the back to give you less camber.. but why would you want that Camber is good as long as it is not excessive. Camber does not affect tire wear very much, towards the end of the tires life you might noticed that there is less tread on the inside than the out but not a whole lot.
Toe affects how stable the car is and how in turns in, it also can help understeer oversteer, however excessive toe out will wear your tires very fast. Toe out will genrally make the car turn in a littel better and not push as much however the car may be unstable at speed with too much toe. I drive with -2.0 camber and 1/8th of toe on the front and -1.5 and 0 toe in the rear of my del sol, and the tires are wearing pretty normanlly. Hope this helps.
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 06:05 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TypeR 01 886 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How should I have them balanced? I gret free balance and roatation for life of tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>

There's no difference in the type of balance you get. Its either balanced or its not, and no such thing as 'performance' balancing.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can I have a little more feed back just to solidify this. I cannot adjust my camber/caster at all? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not w/o a BFH.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But I can adjust toe in/out etc??? (little more info)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes by adjusting the tie rods. Its very easy, you loosen the locknut, turn the tie rod, and tighten the locknut - but you ought to measure it too
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 06:09 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TypeR 01 886 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can I have a little more feed back just to solidify this. I cannot adjust my camber/caster at all? </TD></TR></TABLE>

You can "adjust" caster by swapping upper control arms... you can also adjust camber and caster (well toe too) with a BFH.. but toe adjustment is easier via the tierods
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 07:21 AM
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Default Re: Can our cars be aligned?? :hammer: (FizzleDaKlown)

Awesome guys!!! Thanks for all the information. I was a little sketchy when I felt like my car was floating above 75mph.

And I never heard of a car not being able to be aligned. Thanks for all the help! Hail to the HT team!!!!
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