I got a 01 GSR and was wonderin which is a good turbo kit between Drag and F-max i seen many people here usin the drag but when i check out the site for f-max they said that they outproduce the drag kit? How many psi does the Drag or F-Max kit come stock? Before i was thinkin of gettin a Drag Gen III but now i see F-Max and stuff so please help me also which eliminate turbo? I know header but what else? Thanks for the help. Any site to the Drag turbo kit??

 

The Drag kit has a history of quality control issues, least of all being the tendency of the exhaust manifold to crack. For the cash, I'd look to the F-Max or RevHard kit.

For more info and pricing on the Drag kit, check out ImportParts.

 

that tendancy to crack was confronted in the FI forum where this is going.. there are lots of us that have drag kits and don't have the problems you mention and if you do have a "defect" Ben at import parts will take a look at it and replace it...

 

there was a good thread about the manifold from the Drag kits. Importparts claims that they are high quality manifolds, and that they stand behind them 100%

check the forced induction forum

 

Hmmm thanks guys yeah i guess its all good luck and bad luck with turbos. But wouldn't there be a warranty for it if it crack for the drag kit can't i just tell them to replace it for no extra charge i'm thinkin of buyin it from importparts.com? Or is there any other cheaper deal i can get for the Drag III kit for my GSR??? Thanks want to find cheaper deals first and checkin it out and stuff. Then i'l turbo it later.

 

does drag have a web page??

 

Yes, If you purchase the DRAG kit from Importparts.com, Ben will replace the manifold for you if it happens to crack.

No, DRAG does not have a website. They do not deal directly to the public. Try searching online for various install pics and other pics on the DRAG kit.

As far as my experience with the DRAG kit, it is a nice kit. Yes, there are a few minor things you need to do, but its all worth it. My friend's GSR is now producing 261 whp at 5.8psi. Not bad huh?

 

are there any negatives to the F-max kit? does anyone even have this kit???

 

I'm suprised that no one mentioned the GReddy GSR kit. High quality great fitment, and no worries.

 

Well Drag sent me a broken turbo.

 

rob92sc what mods did your friend have on his gsr was it all stock internals??? thats pretty sweet hp to me. Oh and as for the Greddy turbo kit is there a way you can boost that little turbo??? How many psi usin stock internals for the Drag, F-max, and Greddy that they can handle? Thanks.

 

Ignite,

My friend's ride is a STOCK GSR with the DRAG III kit at 5.8psi using the TiaL wastegate. He has a 3" exhaust piping (no cat) to an Apexi N1 turbo muffler. Other than that, its stock except for suspension and rims. Oh, he also has the J&S Safeguard.. but that doesn't add power. You can see his dyno's on my page: http://www.geocities.com/b_real45/IntegraGSR.html . It dyno'd at 261 whp but we didn't take it to red line. My friend saw a little bump in the A/F reading and thought it was gonna run lean.. so we stopped 700-800 rpm from redline.

 

fmax sucks
i know plenty of fmax owners with blown motors

 

That doesn't necessarily mean that F-MAX sucks.. it all has to do with tuning. Anyone can slap on some parts.. some will get lucky and the car will run fine.. some will be unlucky and blow their motor. But if you know what you're doing and know how to tune properly, you can make things work more efficiently and safely.

 

Ok.. I hate it when someone replys like this.. "fmax sucks" If you cant back it up substancially, then dont reply. I can tell you there are blown motors out there from every turbo, supercharger, and nitrous kit on the market. Please reply with specifics.. for example.. their manifolds are faulty etc..

 

thanks rob92sc with the info whats standard boost for the Drag Gen III with stock internals that it can handle. Thanks.

 

Fmax does not suck. I have a 00 gsr with an Fmax kit and I love it - its perfect for low boost (under 15psi) street use.

 

I've stopped arguing with the Drag lovers here...I've done the research and read all the posts and found that F-MAX is the most user friendly kit that produces good descent power. Nobody who has actually bought the FMAX complained about major problems like I've seen with Drag or RH. Everyone raves over how great Drag is but I don't find filing down engine blocks, fabricating flanges and cutting up fan shrouds the way to go...


[Modified by MiraiZ, 12:17 AM 8/4/2001]

 

uh...filing down blocks??? i read something a while back about this for drag but thought it was isolated incidents. anyone got a pic of the area of the block that got filed?

 

There is nothing wrong with Fmax. I have always felt the reason people blow their motors is because of 2 things. 1) the install 2) the driver and how he takes care and treats his car. You get alot of kids who have their parents pay for everything and they dont know how turbo works. Its pathetic to see people blow motors because of ingorance!

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You may want to actually ask the drag folks about this, but when Iwas researching Drag I heard so many incidences of this and its what really turned me off from Drag. There are a small handful of FMAX folks here and I have yet to hear of problems during installation from them...no fan blade/shroud cutting, block filing (which isn't isolated ...too many people had to do this)...

I'm not saying Drag or RH suck, all I'm saying is that some kits are more plug n play than others and Drag isn't one of them....If you don't mind doing this stuff, then Drag or Rev may be better...personally being in Japan, I cannot afford sending away for parts everytime I have to fabricate something to get this so-called 'bolt-on' kit in and working. F-Max is the closest to being plug n play so for me its the way to go...

If u decide to go F-Max, then join our group buy...

 

Ok, Here's what we had to do in order to install the DRAG III kit on my friend's GSR:

*note* The modifications were easy and does not harm anything.

The first thing was to file a part of the block. Now, before you go **** your pants, This was very easy and the part that was shaved has NOTHING to do with anything. It is just a webbing that prevents the manifold to sit flush against the block. This took approx. 5 mins.

Next was fans. Yes you do have to trim the shroud if you wished to keep the stock fans, but most people opt for higher performing fans anyways. Trimming the shroud takes nothing but 2 minutes. Just have a dremel handy.

Now I understand that some people are "afraid" to work on their cars. These are the same people that use the above modifications against DRAG. What is so hard about trimming the webbing off the block? Nothing. If you were to reinstall the stock manifold, would something be different? No. So what's all the fuss about? Is it because you 'd hate to waste 7 minutes of your time trimming something?

Hell, all turbo kits are fairly good. Anyone can make one kit better than the other.. and that's by tuning The only thing I see as a factor in deciding which kit to buy is which fuel control system you're more comfortable with. I happen to like the Extra Injector method.. although my bud likes the FMU setup. Its just preference.

 

Don't forget about having to fabricate a flange for the down pipe....

Not saying all those things are bad (except for maybe the fan cutting), but I am not into all that. If I lived in the States I probably may have done Drag or RH, or maybe even my own kit, but in Japan and even something as little filing down a 1 inch piece of metal is expensive...$50.00 for a dremel tool, $25.00 for file, $100 for welding...I did all the calculations and I was looking at an extra $500 just for auxilary devices and tools which I'd probably never use again. So it came down to FMAX...not the best, but the way to go for me...


[Modified by MiraiZ, 2:40 AM 8/5/2001]

 

If you live in Japan why don't you just buy the Top Fuel kit? It is supposed to come with some of the best components on the market.

 

I don't have $10k to spend on their kits...waaaaaay overpriced...plus I noticed a lot of similarities between one of their kits and Fmax...another reason why I am going FMAX