Having not heard anything since January, I checked with Topeka to see about the status of my request to list the '96+ Honda Civic EX in ITA. I understand from the club racing office that an answer is expected in the August FasTrack, so this is your chance to play Madame Cleo and predict which way this one pans out:

Kirk

PS - Yes, I know what happens when someone leaves a poll open.

 

are the 92-95 Civic Si and EX still listed for ITS? sorry to use you as rule book. you're the resident IT bookworm. :-)

TIA kirk.

 

AFAIK, they are ITS. Once they're classed it would take something just short of planetary re-arrangement for a re-classification.

 

"Your request has been forwarded to the IT Ad Hoc committee...where it it has been handwritten in invisible ink onto rapidly biogradable parchment and FedExed overnight to the Galapagos Islands where it will be placed under a small chunk of native coral in no less than waist deep seawater until such time that Honda begins paying more money for "consideration", until you take clandestine photos of a Comp Board member in a compromising sexual position and use it for blackmail so that they may see the light and champion your cause, or until you finally give in and see the error in your ways realizing that you really want a Spec Racer Ford or the new spec formula/sports racer after all."

Every time my name has been listed in the SportsCar FasTrack section it has been next to the word "declined". Good luck, don't hold your breath.

 

Kirk, has anything come of IT2 ?

Just curious... Its a great idea.

 

very funny...........and true too...lol

 

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Now THAT'S funny.

 

Hey Kirk,
Here is a linkg to the august fasttrac I see you stuff in there but cannot figure out if the chagned its or not..

http://www.scca.org/news/tech/...k.pdf

 

So the 96-98 car is now in ITA at 2450. That is the coupe with the trunk and not the hatchback right? Any reason why the '94 Civic that Downing requested reclassed down from ITS got refused a bit higher up if it is the same basic car and engine? The earlier Sis are hatchbacks that I know of but the red car I saw Downing run was a coupe with a trunk. If they are trying to put the hatchbacks in S and the coupes in A, then I'd think they need to push it back to '94 and include all of the SOHC coupes up to 2000. Don't know how the weight will work but at least they could have a better shot than in ITS.

Well Kirk, you didn't get your whole new classification but the car can now be raced outside ITS.

 

Happy dancing rules NERD.

I didn't expect the August FasTrack out this soon or I would have posted the pole earlier... The upshot of all of this - I think - is the following:

1. '96-98 EX Coupe is now in ITA at 2450#
2. '94-95 EX Coupe is still in ITS at 2305#
3. '92-94 Si hatch is still in ITS at 2330#
4. '94-96 Si hatch is now in ITS at 2305#

I actually requested that the newer EX be listed at 2340 pounds, based on a 98% of stock curb weight standard set by, among others, RJ's Integra. Frankly, there probably wasn't much hope of getting it that light legally however, and 2450 seems reasonable.

My theory, based on the same experience that Lee has had in the past, was that it would be easier to classify a new IT2-type car in ITA than to get a currently listed ITA orphan moved (a la Matt Downing's request that got spanked down in the same FasTrack). This seems to have played out as being the case. IT2 was, by the way, a no-go with the Comp Board. Greg Amy's proposal for the same thing hit their desks a month before mine - and was denied - so I wasn't even under consideration.

Sorry, RJ. I know am pretty sure what I'm going to do. There are a handful of these cars out there running Showroom Stock and I would love it if you would all keep your eyes open for them, so I can make offers. As an alternative, if you know of an appropriate donor street car out there, I would consider that route as well, although I would WAY prefer to find one that someone had already depreciated.

K

 

glad to see another honda in a more competitive class, but im with Lee, im really confused as to why only the 96-98 EX coupe is in ITA, when the rest have the same engine and suspension, especially the 93-95 EX coupe. maybe i can understand a different chassis coupe vs. hatch where wheel base is different, but whats up with the different years. virtually same same.

 

The resulting classifications don't make any sense, looking at the big picture, but there is no provision for strategic thinking in the process. The ITCS list of cars is the result of a myriad of microlevel decisions, each made examining a very narrow set of data.

My request tested a couple of theories about the classification process and I think I guessed correctly. My belief continues to be that the CRX was a benchmarking addition to ITA - it upped the ante and opened the door to the classification of some other options with more power and weight, based on back-of-envelope guesses about what might compete with the new standard. The early '90s Integra is a great example of that and I made my case based on it and a couple others that were recently added to A (the Eclipse and 240sx).

We now have the earlier EX and Si - with the same basic specs - in ITS and the newer EX in A, where it compares on paper with other cars. The '90-93 Integra is in A while the '94+ version (non GSR) sits in S with the same basic stuff. However, the fundamental resistance to change in IT - evidenced by but not working strictly through the "no competition adjustments" clause - keep things bound up.

K

 

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4. '94-96 Si hatch is now in ITS at 2305#
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Wtf? 94-95 Si hath is identical to 92-93. 96 Si hatch doesnt exist.

RJ - scratching head

 

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Wtf? 94-95 Si hath is identical to 92-93. 96 Si hatch doesnt exist.

RJ - scratching head</TD></TR></TABLE>

New SCCA policy... since things weren't confusing enough before they've decided to randomly cars by year, but with no relation to models... also they've decided to make up several new cars to classify even though they don't exist.

Next year... classification by color.

 

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Next year... classification by color. </TD></TR></TABLE>

*goes to cover up the rest of the mAd SkiLLz YelLOw with flat black*

 

Hey Kirk,

I'm still waiting for a classification for my 96 Integra GSR. Remember that post from a few months back when I was putting it together? Its been a while for them to make put the car in a class. For now, I'm stuck in ITE.

When I was choosing a which of my daily driver to build; my 96 GSR or 94 Civic EX Coupe both were classed in ITS so I had to choose the one with more power and potential. My girlfriend is not too happy about the choice because it is also the one with the AC and Radio!

I was supposed to get back to you with pics after the build. They are now on my website under project cars.

 

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Wtf? 94-95 Si hath is identical to 92-93. 96 Si hatch doesnt exist.


RJ - scratching head</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not exactly. . .but. . .the differences don't matter for ITS. 92-93 had no SRS, smaller gas tank, and other small changes which made the 92-93 cars about 100 lbs lighter. . .if, my memory serves me. I don't understand why the 92-94 cars got the higher weight penatly though, esp. since 92-93 and 94 have the different stock weights. . .

 

dammit Kirk just buy RJs integra!

Evan- who thinks Kirk is one of those people that likes to do stuff the hard way

 

As much as I like that generation of Integra, production stopped on that body style 10 years ago. Production on the Civic body only ended a couple years ago. I want to buy something that is more contemporary right now - for promotional purposes - and won't be considered a vintage car in a decade.

I also want to be able to run the thing in stock form for a couple years to ease start-up (as an SS car), and then update to IT specs down the road. If I have to build a car, the math gets different - again - but I want to track down the leads that I have on existing SS cars first. I would really love to take my own advice and buy a car that is already put together.

K

 

Well dammit someone buy it