what are the retail prices of the smc and sm2???

 

http://www.dynospeed.com

 

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there are no prices on that website..unless i missed them

 

call them and ask for ben, great, smart and very friendly guy. He'll give you the far far better support anyone can give you. I put my name on it

stan

 

so does anyone knoe retail prices?

 

SMC with autotune is 1,600.00
SM2 with autotune is 1,889.00

Those are the retail costs around the country.
-Ben

 

http://www.aussieimportsllc.com

 

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SM2 with autotune is 1,889.00

Those are the retail costs around the country.
-Ben</TD></TR></TABLE>

damn what the hell the guy here is charging 2300+dyno tune fees..justin izume

 

Truthfully, I think Justin has the right Idea.
the products are WORTH that much and the prices should reflect that.

The problem is here there are many people who can sell the units and someone is always willing to undersell someone else just to take a sale away from someone else. When that happens everyone has to sell their products as cheap as possible to avoid being undersold by someone sitting on a computer in their bedroom at home and claiming to be some big distributor.

when a shop sells the ecu and doesn't make any money from the sale, it reduces their enthusiasm to spend time giving out technical support becuase after all, time is money and they didn't make any on the sale to help offset the cost of the time they spend supporting the units.

This leads to poorly running vehicles that are improperly tuned and installed, and the customer inevitably blames the shop, or the brand of ecu itself.

This person then tells everyone they know about their bad experience and that hurts the overall reputaion of the unit which in turn lowers sales volumes for everyone.

See how ugly it gets?

One way to avoid this is to buy the equipment only from a known reputable source who has proven experience with the products and a track record of good customer support and satisfaction. The slight extra cost they charge like in Justin;s case is well deserved and the end customer will be much happier spending a few hundred dollars more to get a job well done that the time, money and frustration lost to dealing with problems later on.

This goes for any brand of ecu.

Just my two cents.

-Ben

 

dunno i think its 2300+tuning costs for the smc..and thats just way overpriced IMO...the sm2 will cost from him what...3k? thats really pricey

 

then buy from ben

 

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yeah??but ben cant tune it for me..sooo.....

 

why cant ben tune it for u? different area?

 

umm yeah i'm in hawaii

 

He is flying to texas to tune mine.

art

 

yeah but flying to hawaii would cost like half a g

 

sucks huh that were so isolated.,. Mark Abanes when up to Cali to get tuned (all motor hatch w/H22)

 

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It's unfortunate that someone who has spent money on (hopefully) quality parts for their car can't see paying $600 for quality installation and tuning of a standalone engine management system. I'm sure there's someone who will do it cheaper and I am perfectly willing to sell you an SMC or SM2 so that you may try them out. All I ask is that if you are disappointed by the results, don't blame the Autronic...you brought them on yourself. I've built a reputation on good products and almost 10 years of standalone engine management tuning, and if you do not see the value in this then I sincerely hope one day you will come to realize that the best value is not necessarily the cheapest price. I have done countless installations of Autronic ECU's and have yet to have an unsatisfied customer.

In the future, I would appreciate the courtesy of a phone call to clarify any questions you may have before flaming me on half the message boards on the internet. If you had contacted me beforehand, I would have been glad to discuss my products and services with you.

 

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By the way...I tuned Mark's car.

Mark's budget unfortunately does not allow him nearly the kind of money to spend on his car as some others do, but he doesn't seem to have a problem paying me for my tuning services...must be worth it to him.

 

contact beforehand??i e-mailed you like 3-4weeks ago..and am STILL waiting for a response....and its not 600 your charging its more around 900-1k or who knows maybe more

 

oh and aaron was telling me how u were explaining why the autronic boost controller doesnt work but he said it was too technical for him..so i was wondering if you could post here and explain why...guess i'll just get a dual stage boost controller to use with the smc cause i REALLy dont want boost in 1st gear on street tires...

 

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I'm sorry but I never saw your email but please don't get so bent out of shape...perhaps it got "lost in the mail"? I don't know where you come up with $900-$1k+ but my math tells me $600-$700.

However I do not even know what your setup is and I do not feel like this forum is the place to be haggling over price (or math for that matter). If you call me we can discuss any questions that you may have.


BTW if you really need to know what the deal with the Autronic boost control (and any other ECU-controlled boost for that matter)...

The Autronic boost control (and most other built-into-ECU types that I know of) use a proportional-derivative control algorithm. It is a simple algorithm to implement and reasonably easy to tune. Yes, this along with everything else in the world requires tuning. The two basic parameters (other than the setpoint) of this algorithm are the proportional and derivative gains. Without going into the whole math class on PD control, one of the limitations of PD control is what is called "offset error". This is where the demand times the proportional and derivative gains ends up equal to the initial demand. The system settles at a level different from its setpoint. Tuning the proportional and derivative gains can reduce this offset error, but at the cost of system stability. In my experiences (especially with high output engines and large turbos) this offset error can in some cases be quite large. The situation is made worse when you have a very wide range of setpoints (ie you want the boost to be controlled from 7 psi to 30 psi). A case like this is when you need a different (or more refined method) of controlling boost. Most purpose-built boost controllers are of the PID type- they include an integral function for removing that offset error over time. It's simply a matter of purpose...you buy a standalone engine management to control the ENGINE, and a purpose-built boost controller to control the BOOST.

Hopefully this answers your question and didn't bore everyone else on this forum.

 

aaron said i also need to pay for robs dyno time so thatyd be 300+easily

what boost controller would you reccomend?

 

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art</TD></TR></TABLE>

??????
you have no hands?

 

I do, but not everyone can do everything. Ben is a professional and is an expert. Alot of people have other people tune thier cars like Kenny Tran had Bob Norwood, Venom has Harv St. Marry, and us at Laskey Racing have Ben Strader. I will one day figure it out but there is always somebody better than you out there and that is why I hired him. Nothing wrong with that...

art