a way to get boost with no turbo or super
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a way to get boost with no turbo or super
http://www.esurbo.com/
This sounds cool but strange at the same time. Tell me what you guys think about it???
This sounds cool but strange at the same time. Tell me what you guys think about it???
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Re: a way to get boost with no turbo or super (Strider Turbo)
Sounds like a load of BS to me. I am not sure what sort of engineering experience that guy THINKS he has, but he is wrong in almost every scenario from a technical perspective.. Heh.
I especially like the part where he says you can run leaner A/F ratios because the engine has the "surbo" helping it. He says the extra air in the combustion chamber helps push the piston down because it is pressurized air.. Sure buddy.
And apparently you get on the throttle, and then let off... repeatedly.. to build "boost" heheh. Sounds like an effective way to accelerate.
Some of my favorite quotes:
I hate when I get retardation due to excessive fuel. Damn that retardation!
I have had it wrong all along... I thought increasing fuel/air and eliminating friction/increasing efficency were the two ways to make power. Apparently using less fuel is the way to go.
Is smooth surging a contradiction in terms?
Apparently leaning out the mixture is the best way to cool the cylinders...I see.
I hate when stupid, uneducated manufacturers install those pesky rev limiters! Rev limiters begone!
Impressive.
Summary: Since you are using less fuel and leaning out, the chances of detonation are much lower. Since air does not burn as well as fuel does, you are set!
If my commercial airplane accelerates that slowly, I am in serious trouble. I guess my GSR accelerates at the speed of light then.
Umm. Yeah.
Dustin
I especially like the part where he says you can run leaner A/F ratios because the engine has the "surbo" helping it. He says the extra air in the combustion chamber helps push the piston down because it is pressurized air.. Sure buddy.
And apparently you get on the throttle, and then let off... repeatedly.. to build "boost" heheh. Sounds like an effective way to accelerate.
Some of my favorite quotes:
The purpose of this guage here is open the throttle wide enough to activate the Surbo, but not too wide that there is retardation due to excessive fuel.
Instead of more air and more fuel for more power, the Surbo system uses air pressure, less fuel and mechanical feedback.
When you become familiar with the system, it will be very easy to extract smooth surging and also from 2000 rpm especially in the low gears.
In fact, there is also less combustion heat due to a smaller fuel input and greater cooling from increased airflow. We have never had a claim for engine damage.
For racing purposes, especially sprints, since the Surbo adds a thousand rpm to most cars at the peak, rev limiters may be taken off to take advantage of the higher peak. This is also in view of the fact that fuel-cutoff slows the car significantly when it occurs. It may also be fun to have a big rpm meter right in front of you, on top of the dashboard as the rpm will climb very quickly. There's no time to look down. Like in those drag cars!
and the Elantra could hit red line in 1st gear with only 1/4 accelerator travel
Higher octanes are used so that your car will have less pinking, that means firing before the pistons are properly near the top of their travel. With the Surbo on, the pinking tendency is lessened due to a halved fuel input, the pushing done by extra air which is not so combustible spontaneously as fuel. You can therefore switch to lower octanes to save money.
Yes, your car will accelerate like a light turbo car after installing the Surbo, with strong thrust forces like that of commercial aircraft takeoffs, timed at 8 seconds from standstill to 100kph
The extra, unburnt air provided by the Surbo will turn the pistons for free as it is pressurised. Usually, it is good to provide an early aircharge as it is so much easier to put in fuel quickly by pushing on the accelerator than to put in air, due to the air filter's resistance. So, the Surbo is useful as the extra air pull force overcomes filtration losses.
Perhaps we can look at it another way. An unassisted engine will do well to have the ideal fuel-air ratio. However, when we go downhill, we can press less on the accelerator (less fuel) and yet have the same engine speed (same amount of air). It is because the engine is under the assistance of gravity. Likewise, when pushed by the Surbo system, the engine can do the same work with a lower fuel-air ratio.
Perhaps we can look at it another way. An unassisted engine will do well to have the ideal fuel-air ratio. However, when we go downhill, we can press less on the accelerator (less fuel) and yet have the same engine speed (same amount of air). It is because the engine is under the assistance of gravity. Likewise, when pushed by the Surbo system, the engine can do the same work with a lower fuel-air ratio.
Dustin
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Re: a way to get boost with no turbo or super (Strider Turbo)
sweeeeeeeet........retardation, smoother surging, better detonation, less fuel, more power !!! SURBO ALL THE WAY !!!!!! I think I'm a lot dumber for reading this....
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Re: a way to get boost with no turbo or super (GSR_Dude)
Once again, I think we know exactly who all this guys base are belong to.
Maybe he has less retardation and smoother surging when someone set up him the bomb... er... surbo.
Maybe he has less retardation and smoother surging when someone set up him the bomb... er... surbo.
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Re: a way to get boost with no turbo or super (Strider Turbo)
The worst part is that there are morons buying this.
Once, I saw a Mustang GT parked with fat *** SPIRALMAX stickers on his car...his exhaust tips had those pinwheel looking things..Surbo must be much more effective than a Spiralmax..
Once, I saw a Mustang GT parked with fat *** SPIRALMAX stickers on his car...his exhaust tips had those pinwheel looking things..Surbo must be much more effective than a Spiralmax..
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Re: a way to get boost with no turbo or super (dustin)
You go HEH. I was thinking that this thing was kinda wierd. Would love to give it a review like you , but I don't know enough to do that. Althought I kinda thought it was weird that you were suposed to be running "4.3psi" and the car doesn't go into limp mode? Wouldn't the Computer freak out??
Sorry for all the headaches guys got get some asprin.
There is only one way to the Darkside!
Sorry for all the headaches guys got get some asprin.
There is only one way to the Darkside!
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Re: a way to get boost with no turbo or super (VaporTrail)
I would still like to understand how he claims to compress air, since his explanation did not make sense nor follow the laws of physics.
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Re: a way to get boost with no turbo or super (dustin)
Yeah did you notice that he claims that "high velocity" equates to "high pressure"? I dunno what fluid mechanics course he took.
Of course, if we limit ourselves to following the laws of physics, how are we ever going to break the 2.4 second quarter mile?
Of course, if we limit ourselves to following the laws of physics, how are we ever going to break the 2.4 second quarter mile?
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Re: a way to get boost with no turbo or super (dustin)
sounds like an "interesting" engineering concept. 
too bad http://www.esurbo.com seems to not exist anymore. at least my browser won't load it
too bad http://www.esurbo.com seems to not exist anymore. at least my browser won't load it
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Re: a way to get boost with no turbo or super (dustin)
Re: a way to get boost with no turbo or super (ek9t)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek9t »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i am now officially dumber</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol...ummm....ddduuuuhhhhhhhh....
lol...ummm....ddduuuuhhhhhhhh....
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Re: a way to get boost with no turbo or super (dustin)
Originally Posted by dustin
Sounds like a load of BS to me. I am not sure what sort of engineering experience that guy THINKS he has, but he is wrong in almost every scenario from a technical perspective.. Heh.
I especially like the part where he says you can run leaner A/F ratios because the engine has the "surbo" helping it. He says the extra air in the combustion chamber helps push the piston down because it is pressurized air.. Sure buddy.
And apparently you get on the throttle, and then let off... repeatedly.. to build "boost" heheh. Sounds like an effective way to accelerate.
Some of my favorite quotes:
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The purpose of this guage here is open the throttle wide enough to activate the Surbo, but not too wide that there is retardation due to excessive fuel. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I hate when I get retardation due to excessive fuel. Damn that retardation!
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Instead of more air and more fuel for more power, the Surbo system uses air pressure, less fuel and mechanical feedback.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have had it wrong all along... I thought increasing fuel/air and eliminating friction/increasing efficency were the two ways to make power. Apparently using less fuel is the way to go.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>When you become familiar with the system, it will be very easy to extract smooth surging and also from 2000 rpm especially in the low gears.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Is smooth surging a contradiction in terms?
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>In fact, there is also less combustion heat due to a smaller fuel input and greater cooling from increased airflow. We have never had a claim for engine damage.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Apparently leaning out the mixture is the best way to cool the cylinders...I see.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>For racing purposes, especially sprints, since the Surbo adds a thousand rpm to most cars at the peak, rev limiters may be taken off to take advantage of the higher peak. This is also in view of the fact that fuel-cutoff slows the car significantly when it occurs. It may also be fun to have a big rpm meter right in front of you, on top of the dashboard as the rpm will climb very quickly. There's no time to look down. Like in those drag cars!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I hate when stupid, uneducated manufacturers install those pesky rev limiters! Rev limiters begone!
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>and the Elantra could hit red line in 1st gear with only 1/4 accelerator travel<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Impressive.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Higher octanes are used so that your car will have less pinking, that means firing before the pistons are properly near the top of their travel. With the Surbo on, the pinking tendency is lessened due to a halved fuel input, the pushing done by extra air which is not so combustible spontaneously as fuel. You can therefore switch to lower octanes to save money. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Summary: Since you are using less fuel and leaning out, the chances of detonation are much lower. Since air does not burn as well as fuel does, you are set!
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Yes, your car will accelerate like a light turbo car after installing the Surbo, with strong thrust forces like that of commercial aircraft takeoffs, timed at 8 seconds from standstill to 100kph<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If my commercial airplane accelerates that slowly, I am in serious trouble. I guess my GSR accelerates at the speed of light then.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The extra, unburnt air provided by the Surbo will turn the pistons for free as it is pressurised. Usually, it is good to provide an early aircharge as it is so much easier to put in fuel quickly by pushing on the accelerator than to put in air, due to the air filter's resistance. So, the Surbo is useful as the extra air pull force overcomes filtration losses.
Perhaps we can look at it another way. An unassisted engine will do well to have the ideal fuel-air ratio. However, when we go downhill, we can press less on the accelerator (less fuel) and yet have the same engine speed (same amount of air). It is because the engine is under the assistance of gravity. Likewise, when pushed by the Surbo system, the engine can do the same work with a lower fuel-air ratio.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Umm. Yeah.
Dustin
I especially like the part where he says you can run leaner A/F ratios because the engine has the "surbo" helping it. He says the extra air in the combustion chamber helps push the piston down because it is pressurized air.. Sure buddy.
And apparently you get on the throttle, and then let off... repeatedly.. to build "boost" heheh. Sounds like an effective way to accelerate.
Some of my favorite quotes:
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The purpose of this guage here is open the throttle wide enough to activate the Surbo, but not too wide that there is retardation due to excessive fuel. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I hate when I get retardation due to excessive fuel. Damn that retardation!
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Instead of more air and more fuel for more power, the Surbo system uses air pressure, less fuel and mechanical feedback.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have had it wrong all along... I thought increasing fuel/air and eliminating friction/increasing efficency were the two ways to make power. Apparently using less fuel is the way to go.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>When you become familiar with the system, it will be very easy to extract smooth surging and also from 2000 rpm especially in the low gears.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Is smooth surging a contradiction in terms?
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>In fact, there is also less combustion heat due to a smaller fuel input and greater cooling from increased airflow. We have never had a claim for engine damage.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Apparently leaning out the mixture is the best way to cool the cylinders...I see.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>For racing purposes, especially sprints, since the Surbo adds a thousand rpm to most cars at the peak, rev limiters may be taken off to take advantage of the higher peak. This is also in view of the fact that fuel-cutoff slows the car significantly when it occurs. It may also be fun to have a big rpm meter right in front of you, on top of the dashboard as the rpm will climb very quickly. There's no time to look down. Like in those drag cars!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I hate when stupid, uneducated manufacturers install those pesky rev limiters! Rev limiters begone!
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>and the Elantra could hit red line in 1st gear with only 1/4 accelerator travel<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Impressive.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Higher octanes are used so that your car will have less pinking, that means firing before the pistons are properly near the top of their travel. With the Surbo on, the pinking tendency is lessened due to a halved fuel input, the pushing done by extra air which is not so combustible spontaneously as fuel. You can therefore switch to lower octanes to save money. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Summary: Since you are using less fuel and leaning out, the chances of detonation are much lower. Since air does not burn as well as fuel does, you are set!
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Yes, your car will accelerate like a light turbo car after installing the Surbo, with strong thrust forces like that of commercial aircraft takeoffs, timed at 8 seconds from standstill to 100kph<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If my commercial airplane accelerates that slowly, I am in serious trouble. I guess my GSR accelerates at the speed of light then.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The extra, unburnt air provided by the Surbo will turn the pistons for free as it is pressurised. Usually, it is good to provide an early aircharge as it is so much easier to put in fuel quickly by pushing on the accelerator than to put in air, due to the air filter's resistance. So, the Surbo is useful as the extra air pull force overcomes filtration losses.
Perhaps we can look at it another way. An unassisted engine will do well to have the ideal fuel-air ratio. However, when we go downhill, we can press less on the accelerator (less fuel) and yet have the same engine speed (same amount of air). It is because the engine is under the assistance of gravity. Likewise, when pushed by the Surbo system, the engine can do the same work with a lower fuel-air ratio.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Umm. Yeah.
Dustin
