I'm about to get the swap put in. The motor is a 00 jdm itr. Its has 16,ooo miles on it. Very new. I dont know what to do about the clutch. Should I leave it alone or should I drop in a new one. If so, should I do a stock one or something like a clutchmasters. Or, do you guys recommend something else that you have had a good experience with. I really like the way the stock one feels so is there anything the is very similiar. Theres no charge to put it in since their doing the swap. Everyday driver, but I like to dip around when I want to. whay you guys suggest???

 

The only real weakness of the stock clutch is that the hub can break and the springs pop out if you are really hard on it. Are you looking for longer clutch life, more tolerance to abuse, or improved torque capacity? If you are not intending on racing the car or substantially increasing your power output, an aftermarket performance clutch might be a waste of money. Many aftermarket performance clutches will hold more power but sacrifice clutch life to do so and pedal is soggy or spongy. Our pressure plate design sacrifices pedal effort instead but of clutch life. Our current street disc design don't usually break like the stock ones do so you can really abuse it, but over mileage the springs rattle loose more quickly than what I would like to see. We are working on our options to improve. Unfortunately at this time we don't manufacture our own street discs from scratch. Because of the big price difference between stock and performance aftermarket, consider your options and needs carefully.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ACTman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The only real weakness of the stock clutch is that the hub can break and the springs pop out if you are really hard on it. Are you looking for longer clutch life, more tolerance to abuse, or improved torque capacity? If you are not intending on racing the car or substantially increasing your power output, an aftermarket performance clutch might be a waste of money. Many aftermarket performance clutches will hold more power but sacrifice clutch life to do so and pedal is soggy or spongy. Our pressure plate design sacrifices pedal effort instead but of clutch life. Our current street disc design don't usually break like the stock ones do so you can really abuse it, but over mileage the springs rattle loose more quickly than what I would like to see. We are working on our options to improve. Unfortunately at this time we don't manufacture our own street discs from scratch. Because of the big price difference between stock and performance aftermarket, consider your options and needs carefully.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nicely put. That is a very honest answer. I agree about the weakness in the stock discs and the problem of the hub springs wanting to pop. We've solved this problem by going with a special disc. Have you guys considered using these discs, ACTman?

I work with Action Clutch so feel free to ask me questions.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rocket &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We've solved this problem by going with a special disc. Have you guys considered using these discs, ACTman? I work with Action Clutch so feel free to ask me questions.</TD></TR></TABLE> What special design are you talking about? I have pretty much seen them all but I haven't seen anything I really like that much. Do you have any photos or links you can direct me to.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ACTman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> What special design are you talking about? I have pretty much seen them all but I haven't seen anything I really like that much. Do you have any photos or links you can direct me to.</TD></TR></TABLE>

These ones. The disc is high quality steel and the springs are very short and stiff. Spring windows are also radius cut for higher fatigue strength.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rocket &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The disc is high quality steel and the springs are very short and stiff. Spring windows are also radius cut for higher fatigue strength.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Really nothing special. Action used to use Clutchnet parts and may still do. They look very similar to the Clutchnet original design. I don't like the windows because they don't support the spring very well. All discs if properly made have radius cut windows. From the picture I can tell that only the thickness of the drive plates make contact with the springs which cuts into them in a short amount of time and then they break or pop out. I agree that the springs are stiffer but there is no progression to the spring rate and little or no attention to hysteresis (friction) in the hub that helps to control rattle and idle noise. Clutchnet has a new patented design that is a little more bullet proof by encapsulating the springs but very heavy which is harder on syncros. You can check their website and see what I am talking about at http://www.clutchnet.com.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ACTman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Really nothing special. Action used to use Clutchnet parts and may still do. They look very similar to the Clutchnet original design. I don't like the windows because they don't support the spring very well. All discs if properly made have radius cut windows. From the picture I can tell that only the thickness of the drive plates make contact with the springs which cuts into them in a short amount of time and then they break or pop out. I agree that the springs are stiffer but there is no progression to the spring rate and little or no attention to hysteresis (friction) in the hub that helps to control rattle and idle noise. Clutchnet has a new patented design that is a little more bullet proof by encapsulating the springs but very heavy which is harder on syncros. You can check their website and see what I am talking about at http://www.clutchnet.com.</TD></TR></TABLE>

These disc have worked well for us and we've have not had a spring pop out yet and I haven't seen a spring cut into the retaining plate yet as well. I've seen one spring crack out of hundreds that we sell.

Can you link me to pics of your sprung discs?

I am not a big fan of sprung discs but in some cases they are necessary.

Thanks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rocket &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can you link me to pics of your sprung discs?I am not a big fan of sprung discs but in some cases they are necessary.Thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE>Here are some shots (very small) of products for Integra:
http://www.advancedclutch.com/V3/mainframe.htm

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ACTman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here are some shots (very small) of products for Integra:
http://www.advancedclutch.com/V3/mainframe.htm</TD></TR></TABLE>



Your street disc looks like an Exedy Unity Disc with an upgraded organic lining with woven metallic in it. I like that disc but I am not a fan of the long springs. But from the stand point of stock discs, the Exedy Unity discs are the best of the stock discs. Forged retaining plate, one piece back plate, heaver springs etc. Pretty nice.

BTW: When I was into Air Cooled VW's I ran a Kennedy Clutch. Worked good.

 

I'm sorry but the whole link did not come through. The one you have shown is not for the Integra. It's for the Mitsubishi 3000GT AWD. I wish it was our Integr disc because I prefer the design. Actually we currently use NKK discs, just like many others. I will be out of town all week (kid's camp with my 8 yr old) but I will follow up when I get back. BTW, I worked at Kennedy (KEP) for 16 years.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ACTman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm sorry but the whole link did not come through. The one you have shown is not for the Integra. It's for the Mitsubishi 3000GT AWD. I wish it was our Integr disc because I prefer the design. Actually we currently use NKK discs, just like many others. I will be out of town all week (kid's camp with my 8 yr old) but I will follow up when I get back. BTW, I worked at Kennedy (KEP) for 16 years.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The NKK disc is okay but the Exedy Unity disc seems to be a better design. The NKK disc only have 3 rivets holding the hub together. I know CM uses these for there organic and kevlar offerings.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turkdog &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm about to get the swap put in. The motor is a 00 jdm itr. Its has 16,ooo miles on it. Very new. I dont know what to do about the clutch. Should I leave it alone or should I drop in a new one. If so, should I do a stock one or something like a clutchmasters. Or, do you guys recommend something else that you have had a good experience with. I really like the way the stock one feels so is there anything the is very similiar. Theres no charge to put it in since their doing the swap. Everyday driver, but I like to dip around when I want to. whay you guys suggest???</TD></TR></TABLE>

if you're basically going to leave the motor stock, stick with a stock clutch. Can't go wrong with an OEM ITR clutch. You say the motor has low miles, you can probably reuse the pressure plate, but buy a new disc at least....even tho all of the clutch parts wear & tear, the disc is the main part that wears out the worst. You can buy a new OEM ITR disc at your Acura dealership and its 100% compatible with your JDM ITR pressure plate & flywheel.