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Old Jun 18, 2003 | 10:14 PM
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It seems like the Acura dealers have a lot of RSX and RSX-S in their inventory and I dont see many RSX on the streets either.

Are the cars not selling?
If not, do you know why?

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Old Jun 18, 2003 | 10:58 PM
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i think what there doing is buying them in bulk so they get a better price on them so they can make more money because my local dealership had like 60 of them and they ended selling 40 of them by the time i was ready to buy one and that was like a 1 month time period i am also seeing alot of them on the road lately this is just my opinion tho
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Old Jun 19, 2003 | 04:35 AM
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The buying in bulk is possible.

However, I was thinking that it is probably b/c of the new competition (in a close price point) with the WRX, EVO, 350z and the soon to be released RX-8. Oh yeah, not to revive a sore subject, but rumors of a Type R civic keep circulating for release this fall.

My 2 cents.
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Old Jun 19, 2003 | 05:06 AM
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I've seena ton of RSX's around here...

when i bought mine, there where only 2 on the lot (type S) and 4 or 5 base....I had to wait a little over a week for my type s to be deleivered...they where gonna get it directly from Japan but luckily enough at some point they had found one much much closer....
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Old Jun 19, 2003 | 06:07 AM
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i havent't seen a lot either but the closest acura dealer is like 30 miles away so i guess that has a lot to do with it..
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Old Jun 19, 2003 | 06:42 AM
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theres tons of them sittin at the lot over here in texas....dont seem to be selling that fast ....but i do see quite a few old people and girls driving them now days
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Old Jun 19, 2003 | 10:40 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tsunami_zc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...but i do see quite a few old people and girls driving them now days </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, they seem to be popular among a broad range of buyers. Our local dealer only keeps about five or six in stock, usually with only one S among them. They seem to move them on a regular basis.
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Old Jun 19, 2003 | 11:01 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wakaru &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Yeah, they seem to be popular among a broad range of buyers. Our local dealer only keeps about five or six in stock, usually with only one S among them. They seem to move them on a regular basis.</TD></TR></TABLE>

its the next Prelude ...
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Old Jun 19, 2003 | 11:46 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tsunami_zc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its the next Prelude ... </TD></TR></TABLE>

I guess it would depend upon how one considered the Prelude to be. I always considered the Prelude, at least in its later years, to be a higher content vehicle than the Integra in its various incarnanations. The RSX is definately a higher content vehicle than any of the USDM Integras, so your point is well taken.
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Old Jun 19, 2003 | 12:58 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by whoobeedoobee &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The buying in bulk is possible.

However, I was thinking that it is probably b/c of the new competition (in a close price point) with the WRX, EVO, 350z and the soon to be released RX-8. Oh yeah, not to revive a sore subject, but rumors of a Type R civic keep circulating for release this fall.

My 2 cents. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I think the emergence of more practical performance competition as well as the fact that the initial buzz has died down is slowing down RSX sales, but it is by no means a dire situation. The EP3 on the other hand...

The competition is a reason for concern at Honda however. Honda has to be careful that their performance offerings are at least substantial enough that Honda performance is taken seriously. I don't think they need to run out and make a performance product for every segment but they need to have enough of presence to cast a favorable halo on the brand. Either the EP3R, DC5R, a 4 seat rwd coupe, and the (next gen) NSX would really be enough to satisfy my reasoning.

One trend Honda needs to watch closely is high performance sedans. Mazda, Subaru, Mitsubishi, BMW, Infiniti, and even Dodge are beginning to realize that they can sell a lot more performance cars if they are practical as well. The EP3 is fairly practical but not so with the RSX. The TSX sort of fits this role but it is a entry level luxury vehicle so it has slightly different goals. A Type-S variant might be just what the doctor ordered (it had better have a LSD...).
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Old Jun 19, 2003 | 01:51 PM
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well around where i live i dont see tons..but they're not scarce either. the reason for the overload at the dealers could be the competiton.
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Old Jun 20, 2003 | 04:16 AM
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In 2001 there were 16,401 RSXs sold in North America. In 2002, Acura sold 30,117 RSXs in North America.

Take it for what it's worth and make your own assumptions or conclusions. These numbers are factual and this information was obtained from the May 26, 2003 issue of Automotive News.

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Old Jun 20, 2003 | 05:28 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wakaru &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I guess it would depend upon how one considered the Prelude to be. I always considered the Prelude, at least in its later years, to be a higher content vehicle than the Integra in its various incarnanations. The RSX is definately a higher content vehicle than any of the USDM Integras, so your point is well taken.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the Prelude , heavy ..overweight ....girls/old peoples car .....

which i guess in the same category ....the RSX will get a broader range of sales ....

but the image of the car has changed ....which is fine ....at least it doesbt share the Integra name in the USDM world anymore .....
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Old Jun 20, 2003 | 08:39 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tsunami_zc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the Prelude , heavy ..overweight ....girls/old peoples car .....
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The Prelude is heavier than many cars. It's not as heavy as many others. Whether its overweight or not is determined by what one would use it for. As far as to what gender or age group drives the vehicle, perhaps that's a regional thing. Where I live, and many places I've been, I've seen people of both genders of varying ages driving Preludes, as well as a wide variety of other vehicles.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...which i guess in the same category...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not sure what category you're speaking of, but in racing, both the RSX and the Prelude have acquitted themselves pretty well. If you look at the 2003 stats in the SCCA World Challenge Touring events, the RSX seems to have done well with more wins than anyone else so far. Also, a good indicator of the sporting potential of many Honda products can be found in the NASA East Coast Honda Challenge, at http://www.honda-challenge.com/. The cars are near stock (other than the H1 class) and race prepped. If you look at the results from 2002 in the H2 class, you'll find a Prelude that seems to be able to hold its own very well against other Honda products.

Granted, its probably safe to assume that the drivers of these cars don't live their life "a quarter-mile at a time" as some folks do, but the broader view will often net different results than a narrower view.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...the RSX will get a broader range of sales ...but the image of the car has changed ....which is fine...at least it doesbt share the Integra name in the USDM world anymore .....</TD></TR></TABLE>

That was a good move on Honda's part to give it a name that's more in line with the rest of the Acura lineup. It most probably broadened the potential market of the car too, as the general population won't be as quick to identify the RSX with the "import scene" as they do its predecessor.

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Old Jun 20, 2003 | 09:02 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wakaru &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The Prelude is heavier than many cars. It's not as heavy as many others. Whether its overweight or not is determined by what one would use it for. As far as to what gender or age group drives the vehicle, perhaps that's a regional thing. Where I live, and many places I've been, I've seen people of both genders of varying ages driving Preludes, as well as a wide variety of other vehicles.

I'm not sure what category you're speaking of, but in racing, both the RSX and the Prelude have acquitted themselves pretty well. If you look at the 2003 stats in the SCCA World Challenge Touring events, the RSX seems to have done well with more wins than anyone else so far. Also, a good in good indicator of the sporting potential of many Honda products can be found in the NASA East Coast Honda Challenge, at http://www.honda-challenge.com/. The cars are near stock (other than the H1 class) and race prepped. If you look at the results from 2002 in the H2 class, you'll find a Prelude that seems to be able to hold its own very well against other Honda products.

Granted, its probably safe to assume that the drivers of these cars don't live their life "a quarter-mile at a time" as some folks do, but the broader view will often nets different results than a narrower view.

That was a good move on Honda's part to give it a name that's more in line with the rest of the Acura lineup. It most probably broadened the potential market of the car too, as the general population won't be as quick to identify the RSX with the "import scene" as they do its predecessor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i always liked the Integra as a black sheep of the Acura family .....now (DC5)

is just a mini-2 door TL .....
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Old Jun 20, 2003 | 09:13 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kenji &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In 2001 there were 16,401 RSXs sold in North America. In 2002, Acura sold 30,117 RSXs in North America.

Take it for what it's worth and make your own assumptions or conclusions. These numbers are factual and this information was obtained from the May 26, 2003 issue of Automotive News.

-kenji</TD></TR></TABLE>

So this shows they are selling well.
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Old Jun 20, 2003 | 10:47 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kenji &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In 2001 there were 16,401 RSXs sold in North America. In 2002, Acura sold 30,117 RSXs in North America.

Take it for what it's worth and make your own assumptions or conclusions. These numbers are factual and this information was obtained from the May 26, 2003 issue of Automotive News.

-kenji</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well think about it, the DC5 was released in the second half of 2001 as a 2002 model. That's why they sold less of them in 2001 than 2002
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Old Jun 20, 2003 | 01:04 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JMU R1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Well think about it, the DC5 was released in the second half of 2001 as a 2002 model. That's why they sold less of them in 2001 than 2002 </TD></TR></TABLE>

Good point so sales are actually down percentage wise but seasonality has to be factored in as well.
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Old Jun 20, 2003 | 06:57 PM
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Seems to be selling pretty decently then.

I test drove the RSX auto and RSX-S today and they are both very nice!
I really like the black interior, shifter is very nice. The auto shifter looks weird though.
The RSX-S has quite a bit of power! I was pleasantly surprised when i accelerated the car and it took off. The blue cars are awesome.
The 6spd car doesnt bog down easily unlike my current car and so it's lot easier to drive. The auto is great for stop-and-go traffic, like we get here.

The only drawback is that the rear seating is quite cramped and the roofline is very low. I'm only 5'7" and my head almost touched the ceiling. This would suck for a 3rd/4th person on long trips.

Now, maybe I can find a slightly used blue RSX-S or RSX auto.
I envy u guys!
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Old Jun 20, 2003 | 07:57 PM
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Well think about it, the DC5 was released in the second half of 2001 as a 2002 model. That's why they sold less of them in 2001 than 2002 </TD></TR></TABLE>

But aren't most all new Hondas and Acuras released in the fall? (Yeah, I realize the TSX was released in April.) This excludes limited edition models... i.e. Si, Accord 6-speed, etc. Last year, weren't the 2003s released in the same month? (October 2002.)

Despite the lack of RSXs I see on the road on most days, looks like it is selling. Like Civics, I don't see many modified ones but I'm sure give the car a few more years and you'll see plenty more RSXs. Besides, the car has been out for like 2 1/2 years.
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Old Jun 21, 2003 | 11:35 AM
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I work in service at our local Acura dealership and we have the same RXS's now that we had in November. The RSX's are selling but nowhere near as well as Acura hoped. We sell maybe 3 or 4 a month which is low considering we get maybe 5 or 6 new ones shipped in each month.
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Old Jun 21, 2003 | 02:20 PM
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RSX only sells in California ...
will never sell to hickville
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Old Jun 21, 2003 | 02:25 PM
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In my opinion the RSX is not selling because it has a base hp of 160 and 200 in the type-s. How can Honda put out a car w/ a 160 hp when we had that back in 88 w/ the b16's. The ITR puts out more Hp than the RSX...CTR is @ 195hp stock...I feel that honda is too damed worried about miles to the gallon than performance. Hell us street/show/drag racers have put honda on the map but have not gotten a street car with a lot of bang. Im not impressed with the civic type-r either. Compared to the competition I feel that honda has taken a step back. Im afraid that if I had to go out a buy a car right now, it would not be a honda. Im just not impressed with the body styles, or horse power thats out there. Garbage.
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Old Jun 21, 2003 | 04:01 PM
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alot people doesnt know the real potential of the RSX yet... :shakeshead:
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Old Jun 21, 2003 | 05:38 PM
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I simply think it doesn't sell as much because it's overpriced and there are cars faster or just as fast as the RSX at a better price. The RSX-S is still a GS-R but priced closer to being a Type R.

Example:

Just as fast: Celica GT-S - $2k less than RSX-S
Faster: WRX - $1k more
Handles better: MPS - $2k less than RSX-S.
Faster: SVT Focus - a lot lesser and faster than both the Si and base RSX.

I see both cars considerably more than RSXs. The base costs more than the Si and just happens to be slower.
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