I would like to do a swap and stuff one of those Honda/Mugen Formula 1 V10's in my Civic. Anybody with experience in this?

 

If you can do it youll be the MFS man....

 

That Motor would suck @ the Quarter Mile...And I HIGHLY Doubt you could get one.

Anyways...Those Motors don't have starters...they are externally fired.

It's not happening...get over it.

Suprdave

 

oh geez....i was kidding! Anyways an F1 car can do a 1/4 in the 8 to 9 sec range with a trapspeed of 180-190mph which isnt to bad considering its not designed to be a drag car.

Nate

"That Motor would suck @ the Quarter Mile...And I HIGHLY Doubt you could get one.
Anyways...Those Motors don't have starters...they are externally fired.

It's not happening...get over it.

Suprdave"


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You a Formula 1 fan CivicV10?

 

An F1 fan yes I am. I can't wait till the German Grand Prix airs on speedvision. You think the Williams/BMW team will dominate at that track(Hockenheim) with their supposedly superior engine? I heard rumors saying they produce around 860HP. Anybody know what the Honda/Mugen V10 produces?

 

I don't know about the Williams/BMW team...Montoya is a little too crazy and impatient as a driver, but his time will come. I guess with youth comes arrogance and that's what I think is keeping him from being better than he could be.

I thought that Mugen had announced prior to this season that they will no longer participate in F1, competition wise and in terms of helping Honda build parts for their F1 cars?

I have a feeling that Schumacher and Ferrari will be top dog yet again. Makes me think about the late 80's, early 90's when Senna and McLaren/Honda dominated everybody and pretty much won everything. Kind of dissapointed at the showing of BAR and Jordan Honda this F1 season...


[Modified by MugenHondaFormula1, 11:16 PM 7/18/2001]

 

My fault...i meant Bar/Honda

 

I have heard that Schumacher and Ferrari will be lucky to win at Hochenheim against the more powerful(engine wise) Williams/BMW at the next German Grand Prix. That track is basically a point and squirt layaout.

 

"oh geez....i was kidding! Anyways an F1 car can do a 1/4 in the 8 to 9 sec range with a trapspeed of 180-190mph which isnt to bad considering its not designed to be a drag car."

No it Can't, I'd like some Proof on that...Definately

a 180-190 Trap Speed would be a low 7 second car. There's no way a long *** geared F1 Car is running a 190 Trap...Especially with only ~ 800 Horsepower.

You need around 1500-2000 Horsepower to run a 190 Trap.

Suprdave

 

No it Can't, I'd like some Proof on that...Definately

a 180-190 Trap Speed would be a low 7 second car. There's no way a long *** geared F1 Car is running a 190
Trap...Especially with only ~ 800 Horsepower.

You need around 1500-2000 Horsepower to run a 190 Trap.

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First, consider the fact that most F1 teams have more allotted in their yearly budgets than most African and Caribbean nations! I don't know if that's amazing or sad from a sociological perspective. As a result, if Williams wanted to get through the 1/4 mile (very boring racing unless you're John Force or Joe Amato) in the shortest amount of time, they could build "short ***" gears as opposed to "long ***" gears. Also, they would employ launch and traction control to eliminate any wheelspin thus creating a low ET. Finally they would remove any downforce the car creates, hell, they might even remove the wings altogether!

Anthony "Mario" Crea




[Modified by honda93, 7:42 PM 7/29/2001]

 

No it can't what? Have a trap speed of 180? You know little about motor sports and racing dynamics. Because it can!! And it COULD hit low to mid 7's if it had the right GEARING and TRACTION at the starting line. But its not geared and in general NOT a drag car hence its starts are rather slow. F1's have a very tall 1st gear usually reaching 100mph until shifting into the following 5 or 6 gears that are closely geared. They are also are very light...about 1400 lbs and the acceleration is just phenomenal with 850hp when it hooks up. Have you heard of power to weight ratio? They might have almost the same power to weight ratio as a Pro-Stock Drag car, which does have about 1500HP I think, but is considerably heavier than an F1. Pro-Stocks can do 6.9’s to flat 7's at about 190-200mph. For the F1...Car and Driver's October 2000 issue posted 2.6 second 0-60mph times for a Jaguar R1 Formula 1 car with a Cosworth V-10@830 Hp. That’s almost as fast as a super bike. After that the F1's are faster....0-100 in the F1 is 4.1 seconds. 0-150 is 6.6. And finally the 1/4-mile is 9.0 seconds at 181mph. 180mph traps don’t always mean low 7 seconds 1/4 dude. In the Feb 97 issue of Car and Driver they tested a Champ/Indy car. It had nearly 900hp but weighed about 1900lbs. 1/4mile was 9.5@167mph. Reason the trap was rather low was because it was bouncing off its rev limiter in 6th gear at the end of the ¼, which they never bothered to change after the last road race event that required a rather low top gear. Anyways, trap speed is more of a measure of HP and the ET is usually a measure of both power and grip at the starting line.

 

A Formula 1 Car is not running 190 Traps...bottom Line...

Anyways, you guys put all these new variables in (Gearing, If it will Hook, traction Control) Im talking about a F1 Car right off the Road Track. Its not running 190 Traps...

Suprdave

 

i always thought they made more power than that.....how much HP do the topfueler and funny cars make?

 

OK dork I never gave the exact figure of 190mph. You listening/reading? I said around 180-190. Right off the road/track it will do 9.0's at 181mph the 1/4 which is within 180-190. Oh yeah , it seems your into drag racing why did u get a civic? They suck for drag racing....bottom line. I'm talking about a stock Civic even a 99 US spec SI right from the street. Don't add new variable saying your gonna add a turbo, drag slicks and stuff like that....sucka!

 

Topfuel drag racing cars have about 4000-5000HP depending on track conditions. Prostock is a lot less.


[Modified by CivicV10@18000rpm, 1:08 PM 7/30/2001]


[Modified by CivicV10@18000rpm, 1:08 PM 7/30/2001]

 

Back in the 80's when turbos were still legal in the F1 series.....they produced around 1200+hp out of a 1.5 liter in qualifying trim.

 

u tell him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

"Topfuel drag racing cars have about 4000-5000HP depending on track conditions. Prostock is a lot less."

Your getting into a Losing Streak of being wrong...

Top Fuel does not makes 4-5000 Horsepower...THEY MAKE 7000+

A Good Alcohol Car will make 5000 Horse. Top Fuel makes 7000+ and this is from the mouth of a driver I know with a Top Fuel Boat (Same Motors).

I Win, Again...

Suprdave

 

LOL you crack me up...ok so it is 7000HP. Your still a dork you looooser....LOL


[Modified by CivicV10@18000rpm, 2:27 PM 7/30/2001]

 

LOL...too funny...how did you win again dork?


[Modified by CivicV10@18000rpm, 5:15 PM 7/30/2001]

 

man, finally someone who follows Formula 1. Any idea where i can find listings for speedvision? i've never managed to catch any races yet. they're delayed right?

go schuey go!!

 

You can try http://www.speedvision.com or go here... http://speedvision01.e-media.com/cus...les.asp?days=1 . There is a rerun tonight at 830PM...at least around my area. I saw it live on Sun morning around 730AM.