I plan on buying the Maxrev boost kit from KS engineering, but I have talked to most of the shops in Chicagoland, and they say they can't tune Hondata. I plan on running 12 PSI on my stock LS motor, and I need fuel management for cheap. All the people around here say go with the AEM EMS which is $1000, but I'm looking at the Greddy E-mange to save a few dollars. What fuel management should I go with? I can't figure it out, and I can't pay for my kit w/o knowing what I should get. Hook me up.

My plan was to get
-Hondata 2b
-RC 440 injectors

...But no one around here tunes Hondata. Or at least no one around here tunes Hondata well. Please, give me FM advice.

 

Oh and does anyone know the diff. between the Tial 35mm wastegate and the 35mm HP? I want to get rid of boost creep but I don't car about shiny parts.

Thanx.

 

Definitely get whatever system your tuner is proficient with. I don't know the difference, but the Tial 35mm that comes with the MaxRev kit is more than sufficient for your goals. I am running 7 PSI on my MaxRev kit, B18B, T3/T04E .60 Trim .63 AR, AEM EMS... soon to be 10 PSI once the 1.00 software for the EMS is released and I get the boost controller feature setup The EMS keeps getting better and better, and if the local tuners know it well, then I say go for it.

 

I have an EMS but if your on a budget deff go with Hondata. You can get into a base Hondata system AND have it professionally tuned for what I paid for a used EMS.

 

I went with Hondata to save little money!

Seems to work fine with what my setup will be!

Eric

 

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Who cares if the nearest hondata tuner for him is 1500 miles away though? IMHO, if you have a tuner nearby that will do an EMS, go for the EMS. It's a nice system, and traction control is sweet

 

I would go with Hondata, and get the Hondata s200. That's the new version unless you have an automatic or for somereason you have to use the 2b. AEM is a very nice system but it's fairly pricey. Hondata is certainly more then capable of provding you with what you need. Greddy isn't such a great system from the people that I've heard using it. I have no first hand experiance with it, but there are lots of little addons and such that you need, many more then Hondata and they are more expensive. Good luck

 

Get the Hondata, if you don't mind driving to Detroit to get your car tuned. (like I am). Youll save a little cash.

If not, then go AEM, and have Kwai tune it.

-Will

 

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Who cares if the nearest hondata tuner for him is 1500 miles away though? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Obviously he has to go with whatever he can get professionally tuned but I have a very hard time believing there are ZERO hondata tuners within 1,500 miles!! Lets be realistic here. I live in the friggin sticks and there are Hondata tuners within a 100 miles. Call up Hondata and Im sure they can help you locate a certified Hondata tuner alot closer than 1500 miles, he prob just doesnt know they exists. He lives near Chicago, of course there are going to Hondata tuners in Chicago. I bet for every 1 EMS tuner there are at least 5 Hondata tuners out there.

Im all for the EMS too im just arguing the fact that there most likely hondata tuners locally. And since hes on a tight budget to try the Hondata avenue first.



Modified by Muckman at 11:26 AM 6/11/2003

 

I'm with Muckman.

If your local tuners can tune an EMS, then they should have no problems tuning a Hondata. While the AEM EMS has improved dramatically in its base maps and tunability, its still more difficult to tune than a Hondata, simply because there is more to do to get everything running just right.

For a relatively low boost, sub-500 hp engine the EMS is overkill for most people. If you're not planning on doing individual cylinder tuning, ITBs, etc., it just doesn't make financial sense.

Ask your tuners why they can't tune Hondata well, but they have no problem with EMS? I'd like to hear the answer to that.

C_A_T

 

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You would be surprised .

I live in the NW burbs of Chicago, and I have to drive 300+ miles to Detriot, when I go to get my Hondata tuned.

-Will

 

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You would be surprised .

I live in the NW burbs of Chicago, and I have to drive 300+ miles to Detriot, when I go to get my Hondata tuned.

-Will</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol, I was planning to do the same. I still can't believe there is no one closer that can do it!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by C_A_T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm with Muckman.

If your local tuners can tune an EMS, then they should have no problems tuning a Hondata. While the AEM EMS has improved dramatically in its base maps and tunability, its still more difficult to tune than a Hondata, simply because there is more to do to get everything running just right.

For a relatively low boost, sub-500 hp engine the EMS is overkill for most people. If you're not planning on doing individual cylinder tuning, ITBs, etc., it just doesn't make financial sense.

Ask your tuners why they can't tune Hondata well, but they have no problem with EMS? I'd like to hear the answer to that.

C_A_T</TD></TR></TABLE>

For people with ODB II, EMS is the cheaper way to go.

to use hondata you gotta get: obd I ecu, converter cable, then the acutal hondata unit. which totals around $1200. ems is around that same price but can be had for less.

 

I don't sell/install any parts (we only test and tune), but a quick check of Hondata's site shows a suggested list price of $445 for the S100 w/boost (all you need if you're going to pay a tuner for his services) and $425 for an ECU w/the correct plugs. That's $870 list. Most people could probably buy the harness for $250 and find a P28 for less than the additional $175 Hondata charges.

The EMS, OTOH, lists at $1700-$1800 but seems to be advertised for $1400-$1500 on average.

I'm sure the Hondata can be obtained under list as well. Basically, you're looking at about half the price for hardware. But, when you buy the AEM, you get a lot more functionality. But for a street car that someone else is tuning, you really don't need it. The average Hondata dyno tune session runs about $300 out here and the average EMS tune can be a little or a lot more (they're getting better with teh base maps, so tune times come down).

The EMS is a better race car system, or for the home tinkerer who's street tuning and has lots of time to play with drivability factors. And if you want launch control, nitrous control, etc. the Hondata price list adds up. But for the average person who wants a fast, no hassle street car, the Hondata is just as effective at extracting reliable hp and costs substantially less to acquire and tune. Its a matter of who you are and what you want.

C_A_T

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by C_A_T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't sell/install any parts (we only test and tune), but a quick check of Hondata's site shows a suggested list price of $445 for the S100 w/boost (all you need if you're going to pay a tuner for his services) and $425 for an ECU w/the correct plugs. That's $870 list. Most people could probably buy the harness for $250 and find a P28 for less than the additional $175 Hondata charges.

The EMS, OTOH, lists at $1700-$1800 but seems to be advertised for $1400-$1500 on average.

I'm sure the Hondata can be obtained under list as well. Basically, you're looking at about half the price for hardware. But, when you buy the AEM, you get a lot more functionality. But for a street car that someone else is tuning, you really don't need it. The average Hondata dyno tune session runs about $300 out here and the average EMS tune can be a little or a lot more (they're getting better with teh base maps, so tune times come down).

The EMS is a better race car system, or for the home tinkerer who's street tuning and has lots of time to play with drivability factors. And if you want launch control, nitrous control, etc. the Hondata price list adds up. But for the average person who wants a fast, no hassle street car, the Hondata is just as effective at extracting reliable hp and costs substantially less to acquire and tune. Its a matter of who you are and what you want.

C_A_T</TD></TR></TABLE>

My EMS installation and tuning came to about $300, and I got a really great tune with lots of street tuning. L&R Racing Yes, I am tinkering with it more and more I agree with you on that, seems like the EMS guys do play with their setups more than the Hondata guys. Probably due to the ease of tweaking with a laptop. EMS($1100) + AEM WBO2($360) = Bad *** system you can tune at home Boost controller, Traction control, gear(speed) dependent boost, automapping, advanced data logging, etc... etc... The EMS has all the cool features you could want in a street car engine management setup. 1.00 will be out soon and I think that will really boost their sales as it is expected to be a much more stable and bug free version. If I had an OBD1 setup I would have gone Hondata, for OBD2 the EMS is just easier. It all depends on what features you want, that will decide which one is the most cost effective value for you personally.

 

Things must be cheap in Washington :-). Down here tune time is $150/hr. Careful with the automapping - its a good starting point, but not ideal.

But you point out that you tinker a lot - that's cool and a good way to learn, but you shouldn't ever need to once the system is set up correctly. That's why the AEM isn't a good choice for the average person.

Not that I don't like AEM's - I make more money tuning them than I do Hondatas ;-)

C_A_T

 

Correct me if I am wrong, which I very well may be, btu I thought Hondata recently came out with a version that worked with OBD II cars...