APEXI vtec controller?
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (DOHCRX)
yea and no......
if you are running the set-up i am running on my motor like the skunk 2 stage 2 cams. you have to have it so the v-tec will work properly. but for stock motors, i would probly not buy one. but i heard its a great tool to have
if you are running the set-up i am running on my motor like the skunk 2 stage 2 cams. you have to have it so the v-tec will work properly. but for stock motors, i would probly not buy one. but i heard its a great tool to have
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (SymphonyX)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SymphonyX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
if you are running the set-up i am running on my motor like the skunk 2 stage 2 cams. you have to have it so the v-tec will work properly. </TD></TR></TABLE>
so youre saying everyone with skunk2 stage 2 cams that do not have an Apex'i VAFC, does not have properly working "v-tec"...
uhmmm okay
if you are running the set-up i am running on my motor like the skunk 2 stage 2 cams. you have to have it so the v-tec will work properly. </TD></TR></TABLE>
so youre saying everyone with skunk2 stage 2 cams that do not have an Apex'i VAFC, does not have properly working "v-tec"...
uhmmm okay
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (STD ONEpointSIX)
geeez.. no! what he's saying is that his a/f ratio, and vtec engagement points are better suited for a high-po cam... it's not like he insulted your sister, don't take what he said personally.
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (VashTheStampede)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VashTheStampede »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> it's not like he insulted your sister, don't take what he said personally.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah, you need to lighten up.. lol
yeah, you need to lighten up.. lol
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (Built B16A)
You have to be a japanesse sceinteist to know how ot use one of these things properly. They are so confusing to use its ridiculous. But is it worth having? Yea if you know how to tune it. If you are juicing or boosting or have cams its definitly worth it but i iwll stick with feilds.
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (CimorelliCRX)
heh.. they are pretty confuzing.. but i got a buddy, depending on your setup, and you can go over them, N/A, Turbo.. Nitrous... he'll program them for like 10bucks.. its not that bad.... the bottom line, they are usfull, if you know how to use them.. they arn't a waste.
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (Built B16A)
the ability to tune your fuel curves properly is always a plus. so yes its worth it. it be comes required once yourmodded like a sob.
"i was going to get an afc but i bought a fpr instead"
fpr's are friggn useless unless your throwing down more than 300hp
38psi is all it takes sukas
"i was going to get an afc but i bought a fpr instead"
fpr's are friggn useless unless your throwing down more than 300hp
38psi is all it takes sukas
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (limoZeen)
I don't know Limozeen...
My brother runs about .1 better in the 1/4 with jacked up FP, and my stock B16A has about 38-39 psi at idle... so I can see if I had cams, exhaust, intake, tbody, etc etc that it would help. Still, I would love to get a afc, but they're pretty expensive!
My brother runs about .1 better in the 1/4 with jacked up FP, and my stock B16A has about 38-39 psi at idle... so I can see if I had cams, exhaust, intake, tbody, etc etc that it would help. Still, I would love to get a afc, but they're pretty expensive!
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (Mr. S)
i have one.....well..its still in its box but all my friends run them, if you know..or have a friend that knows how to set them up they are fun...but if you and your friends have no idea.....find someone that does andhang out with them
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr. S »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know Limozeen...
My brother runs about .1 better in the 1/4 with jacked up FP, and my stock B16A has about 38-39 psi at idle... so I can see if I had cams, exhaust, intake, tbody, etc etc that it would help. Still, I would love to get a afc, but they're pretty expensive!</TD></TR></TABLE>
fpr regulates fuel on a linear basis only. thats is NOT how a fuel curve looks. the engine is most rich at the point in which peak torque is produced. everything else is more lean to optimize gains. and fpr doesnt do this. it makes everything run rich as **** or lean as ****. if you dont have the $$ dont get a vafc. the vafc is a great tool that will alow you to optimize the carp out of everything especially when modded.
hondas run rich as **** from the factory, people w/ i/h/e seem to always get a fpr and flood the **** out of the engine and think they are going faster. when in all actuality the fuel should be left stock or leaned out.
My brother runs about .1 better in the 1/4 with jacked up FP, and my stock B16A has about 38-39 psi at idle... so I can see if I had cams, exhaust, intake, tbody, etc etc that it would help. Still, I would love to get a afc, but they're pretty expensive!</TD></TR></TABLE>
fpr regulates fuel on a linear basis only. thats is NOT how a fuel curve looks. the engine is most rich at the point in which peak torque is produced. everything else is more lean to optimize gains. and fpr doesnt do this. it makes everything run rich as **** or lean as ****. if you dont have the $$ dont get a vafc. the vafc is a great tool that will alow you to optimize the carp out of everything especially when modded.
hondas run rich as **** from the factory, people w/ i/h/e seem to always get a fpr and flood the **** out of the engine and think they are going faster. when in all actuality the fuel should be left stock or leaned out.
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (STD ONEpointSIX)
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so youre saying everyone with skunk2 stage 2 cams that do not have an Apex'i VAFC, does not have properly working "v-tec"...
uhmmm okay</TD></TR></TABLE>
i am not saying you HAVE to have one, my stock ecu v-tec point is 4700 rpm, and it does not kick in right or it holds you back. the cams pulls out so hard that having v-tec that low can **** your motor up. and you have to re-chip the ecu so the idle does not **** up too.
until you put those cams in your car, you will have no idea what i am talking about
so youre saying everyone with skunk2 stage 2 cams that do not have an Apex'i VAFC, does not have properly working "v-tec"...
uhmmm okay</TD></TR></TABLE>
i am not saying you HAVE to have one, my stock ecu v-tec point is 4700 rpm, and it does not kick in right or it holds you back. the cams pulls out so hard that having v-tec that low can **** your motor up. and you have to re-chip the ecu so the idle does not **** up too.
until you put those cams in your car, you will have no idea what i am talking about
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (limoZeen)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by limoZeen »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
fpr regulates fuel on a linear basis only. thats is NOT how a fuel curve looks. the engine is most rich at the point in which peak torque is produced. everything else is more lean to optimize gains. and fpr doesnt do this. it makes everything run rich as **** or lean as ****. if you dont have the $$ dont get a vafc. the vafc is a great tool that will alow you to optimize the carp out of everything especially when modded.
hondas run rich as **** from the factory, people w/ i/h/e seem to always get a fpr and flood the **** out of the engine and think they are going faster. when in all actuality the fuel should be left stock or leaned out.</TD></TR></TABLE>
One key tuning procedure is to use the FPR to adjust pressure, and the VAFC to lean it out in "rich" areas. By using both, you can find gains on moderately to highly modified motors
fpr regulates fuel on a linear basis only. thats is NOT how a fuel curve looks. the engine is most rich at the point in which peak torque is produced. everything else is more lean to optimize gains. and fpr doesnt do this. it makes everything run rich as **** or lean as ****. if you dont have the $$ dont get a vafc. the vafc is a great tool that will alow you to optimize the carp out of everything especially when modded.
hondas run rich as **** from the factory, people w/ i/h/e seem to always get a fpr and flood the **** out of the engine and think they are going faster. when in all actuality the fuel should be left stock or leaned out.</TD></TR></TABLE>
One key tuning procedure is to use the FPR to adjust pressure, and the VAFC to lean it out in "rich" areas. By using both, you can find gains on moderately to highly modified motors
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (rodrez)
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One key tuning procedure is to use the FPR to adjust pressure, and the VAFC to lean it out in "rich" areas. By using both, you can find gains on moderately to highly modified motors </TD></TR></TABLE>
you are completly right.... i had 310 rc injectors and i found out that i am running really really really rich even on high compression motor thats in the 13.1. when we went back to stock injectors, the **** ran great and that alone explain the loss of power i got with the rc injectors.
One key tuning procedure is to use the FPR to adjust pressure, and the VAFC to lean it out in "rich" areas. By using both, you can find gains on moderately to highly modified motors </TD></TR></TABLE>
you are completly right.... i had 310 rc injectors and i found out that i am running really really really rich even on high compression motor thats in the 13.1. when we went back to stock injectors, the **** ran great and that alone explain the loss of power i got with the rc injectors.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rodrez »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
One key tuning procedure is to use the FPR to adjust pressure, and the VAFC to lean it out in "rich" areas. By using both, you can find gains on moderately to highly modified motors </TD></TR></TABLE>
why buy an afc if you only going to use half of its features? the afc will enrichen your mixture as well not just lean it out. you can run an *** ton of hp on the stock 38psi of fuel. are you really moving that much fuel that your sucking your fuel lines dry in your honda? i dont think so.
One key tuning procedure is to use the FPR to adjust pressure, and the VAFC to lean it out in "rich" areas. By using both, you can find gains on moderately to highly modified motors </TD></TR></TABLE>
why buy an afc if you only going to use half of its features? the afc will enrichen your mixture as well not just lean it out. you can run an *** ton of hp on the stock 38psi of fuel. are you really moving that much fuel that your sucking your fuel lines dry in your honda? i dont think so.
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (limoZeen)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by limoZeen »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
why buy an afc if you only going to use half of its features? the afc will enrichen your mixture as well not just lean it out. you can run an *** ton of hp on the stock 38psi of fuel. are you really moving that much fuel that your sucking your fuel lines dry in your honda? i dont think so.</TD></TR></TABLE>
With OEM injectors, adding fuel with a VAFC is all but useless. Very little can be added. Using an FPR in conjunction with a VAFC not only picked up an additional 9hp peak on my set up, but allowed my tuner to smooth out the entire curve. Everyone has their own opinion and experience, for me, the 35 dollar FPR was an outstanding upgrade, and I would not run w/out it on my set up. (Especially now, since I've upgraded the fuel pump)
Modified by rodrez at 12:35 PM 6/5/2003
why buy an afc if you only going to use half of its features? the afc will enrichen your mixture as well not just lean it out. you can run an *** ton of hp on the stock 38psi of fuel. are you really moving that much fuel that your sucking your fuel lines dry in your honda? i dont think so.</TD></TR></TABLE>
With OEM injectors, adding fuel with a VAFC is all but useless. Very little can be added. Using an FPR in conjunction with a VAFC not only picked up an additional 9hp peak on my set up, but allowed my tuner to smooth out the entire curve. Everyone has their own opinion and experience, for me, the 35 dollar FPR was an outstanding upgrade, and I would not run w/out it on my set up. (Especially now, since I've upgraded the fuel pump)
Modified by rodrez at 12:35 PM 6/5/2003
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (SymphonyX)
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i am not saying you HAVE to have one, my stock ecu v-tec point is 4700 rpm, and it does not kick in right or it holds you back. the cams pulls out so hard that having v-tec that low can **** your motor up. and you have to re-chip the ecu so the idle does not **** up too.
until you put those cams in your car, you will have no idea what i am talking about</TD></TR></TABLE>
we actually have an article in TPR magazine that is coming out soon on the skunk2 stage 2 cams...we put the cams into an ITR motor and it was tuned with stock ecu and a VAFC and it then it was also tuned with a JUN program ECU with the VAFC. You can see our results in TPR issue #2. so yeah, i do know what youre talking about. You just worded your first post funny.
EDIT: and its VTEC not v-tec
i am not saying you HAVE to have one, my stock ecu v-tec point is 4700 rpm, and it does not kick in right or it holds you back. the cams pulls out so hard that having v-tec that low can **** your motor up. and you have to re-chip the ecu so the idle does not **** up too.
until you put those cams in your car, you will have no idea what i am talking about</TD></TR></TABLE>
we actually have an article in TPR magazine that is coming out soon on the skunk2 stage 2 cams...we put the cams into an ITR motor and it was tuned with stock ecu and a VAFC and it then it was also tuned with a JUN program ECU with the VAFC. You can see our results in TPR issue #2. so yeah, i do know what youre talking about. You just worded your first post funny.
EDIT: and its VTEC not v-tec
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Having a Apex I vtec controller comes in handy when wanting to adjust your fuel curve, and reset the vtec to any rpm range....plus the blue gauges look cool as hell. I didnt want to touch mine when I first got it installed for fear of fudding it up..but you learn to use it over time, and it makes tuning a dream!!!!!! I increased the hp output by 12 hp! Just depends on the application.
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (SymphonyX)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SymphonyX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i am not saying you HAVE to have one, my stock ecu v-tec point is 4700 rpm, and it does not kick in right or it holds you back. the cams pulls out so hard that having v-tec that low can **** your motor up. and you have to re-chip the ecu so the idle does not **** up too.
until you put those cams in your car, you will have no idea what i am talking about</TD></TR></TABLE>
Just put a set of stage 2's in about 2 weeks ago, and my car idles rock solid at 750 rpm.
i am not saying you HAVE to have one, my stock ecu v-tec point is 4700 rpm, and it does not kick in right or it holds you back. the cams pulls out so hard that having v-tec that low can **** your motor up. and you have to re-chip the ecu so the idle does not **** up too.
until you put those cams in your car, you will have no idea what i am talking about</TD></TR></TABLE>
Just put a set of stage 2's in about 2 weeks ago, and my car idles rock solid at 750 rpm.
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (STD ONEpointSIX)
a real close friend of mine, has a all motor B16.. 13-1, and Toda C's.. we can't get that bitch to idle at all.. rapapa, tat, rapapa, .. lol, its anoying.. fast as hell, and those cams sound like LS's.. but what can you do.. the profiles are almost the same as the primary lobes.. we call it the V8 killer.. lol.. atleast sounds like one.
oh yeah, and it has a VAFC thingamabober.. and its tunned.. i dont' get it though..
oh yeah, and it has a VAFC thingamabober.. and its tunned.. i dont' get it though..
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (STD ONEpointSIX)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by STD ONEpointSIX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
we actually have an article in TPR magazine that is coming out soon on the skunk2 stage 2 cams...we put the cams into an ITR motor and it was tuned with stock ecu and a VAFC and it then it was also tuned with a JUN program ECU with the VAFC. You can see our results in TPR issue #2. so yeah, i do know what youre talking about. You just worded your first post funny.
EDIT: and its VTEC not v-tec</TD></TR></TABLE>
OT: curious, what is TPR magazine? thanks
we actually have an article in TPR magazine that is coming out soon on the skunk2 stage 2 cams...we put the cams into an ITR motor and it was tuned with stock ecu and a VAFC and it then it was also tuned with a JUN program ECU with the VAFC. You can see our results in TPR issue #2. so yeah, i do know what youre talking about. You just worded your first post funny.
EDIT: and its VTEC not v-tec</TD></TR></TABLE>
OT: curious, what is TPR magazine? thanks
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Re: APEXI vtec controller? (rodrez)
wow.... this is a really heated debate... lol... I'm never gonna be able to use the thing, but I'm actually considering buying one just to spite some of you guys.. haha... 
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OT: curious, what is TPR magazine? thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>
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