Stock internals. SMSP header, AEM intake, and 2.5" catback with Hondata tuning. I saw a dyno of a stock c5 with no more than the SMSP header that made 180whp ( I think) so I would think I could get close with the intake and tuning. I just can't afford an ITR motor and the b16b is about 1200 cheaper which gives me more money for a nice header like the SMSP.

 

stage 2-3 cams, springs, retainers, p&p, tuning........................ most likely

 

simple

 

Here ya go. Ask Jeff or Jerry for more details. B16B Dyno

 

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I saw that yesterday and was dumbfounded. That's what made me swing toward a b16b. How do I find Jeff or Jerry?

Irishweird00:
I want to keep the stock internals. I can't afford to tear apart a $4000 motor.

I forgot to add cam gears. I figure if it dynos 157/109 stock, 33whp shouldn't be that hard with the bolt ons, including a nice header, and good Hondata tuning.


Modified by Skeletor at 9:07 PM 6/2/2003

 

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Care to elaborate?

 

not really.
basically up the compression and get basic cams and bolt ons.

 

Stock internals. Like I said, I can't afford to tear into a $4k motor. I basically want something nice where I don't have to crack it open to have nice power. This is a street/autox car with some track time in between.

 

thats probly like 1500 beans.

 

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That maybe beans to you, but in Po'ville, VA, that's a lot considering I'm dumping about 5200+ with just the motor and those bolt-ons. Not to mention tuning and the little things like timing belt, water pump, oil, etc. stuff to just complete the swap.

 

where do you live in VA? i was saying the boltons, cams and pists were about 1500...

 

SEVA. Plus the time/money to install them. I may get cams in the future, but I'd like to see what I can squeeze with the motor stock internally. Plus the funds just aren't there for cams right now.

 

put a type R crank and a bit of head work higher comp


Modified by romeo619romeo at 7:20 AM 6/3/2003

 

oh.. you can probly find some good used cams for around 500 or so...install yourself and done


Modified by hybridvteceg at 4:55 PM 6/3/2003


Modified by hybridvteceg at 5:11 PM 6/3/2003

 

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People...stock internals. I would think with nice bolt-ons and good tuning 33hp/15lb wouldn't be to hard to acheive, right?

 

while your at it, ask jeff about the b16 A , 1 series block with stock pr3 pistons that made 190 at 9300 rpms.

stock block, ported gsr head and manifold. CTR cams, crower springs and retainers, ericks racing TB, jg headers, SPOON head gasket, chipped ecu(not hondata) fuel pressure at 25LBS.

motor ran 13.2 at 105 in a stock ef with stock doors and hatch and through a muffler. non LSD 1.8 60 fts.

jeff at importbuilders tunned my motor, last time i checked it was still up on his site. he only made me pay him 20 bucks for 20 dyno runs. cuase i broke his dyno record of the same style motor by 4 hp. you can aslo check http://WWW.DH-RACING.COM for that dyno chart. as dave hickman did the head for that car.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Skeletor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stock internals. SMSP header, AEM intake, and 2.5" catback with Hondata tuning. I saw a dyno of a stock c5 with no more than the SMSP header that made 180whp ( I think) so I would think I could get close with the intake and tuning. I just can't afford an ITR motor and the b16b is about 1200 cheaper which gives me more money for a nice header like the SMSP.</TD></TR></TABLE>

sure, 115 lb-ft torque at 8700 rpm and you'll do it ...

greg

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by letholone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">while your at it, ask jeff about the b16 A , 1 series block with stock pr3 pistons that made 190 at 9300 rpms.

stock block, ported gsr head and manifold. CTR cams, crower springs and retainers, ericks racing TB, jg headers, SPOON head gasket, chipped ecu(not hondata) fuel pressure at 25LBS.

motor ran 13.2 at 105 in a stock ef with stock doors and hatch and through a muffler. non LSD 1.8 60 fts.

jeff at importbuilders tunned my motor, last time i checked it was still up on his site. he only made me pay him 20 bucks for 20 dyno runs. cuase i broke his dyno record of the same style motor by 4 hp. you can aslo check http://WWW.DH-RACING.COM for that dyno chart. as dave hickman did the head for that car.</TD></TR></TABLE>


ive seen 190s from a b16a block/gsr head combo with ctr cams.
its key to use the gsr manifold an port it, great midrange...
or use a skunk2 manifold and clean up the seams

 

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sure, 115 lb-ft torque at 8700 rpm and you'll do it ...

greg</TD></TR></TABLE>

Do you think 33hp/15lb is a stretch with those mods? I figure if it's 157/109 stock, that 190/124 is not to much of a reach, eh? And really I'd sacrifice some of the top end for some midrange if I could get 122~127 ft/lb.

 

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Do you think 33hp/15lb is a stretch with those mods? I figure if it's 157/109 stock, that 190/124 is not to much of a reach, eh? And really I'd sacrifice some of the top end for some midrange if I could get 122~127 ft/lb.</TD></TR></TABLE>

its difficult to get that kind of torque from 1.6, maybe a 1.7 ... the key is top end cams, its fairly common for a b16a and b16b to produce a nice flat tq curve past 8k rpm so your goal is achievable in terms of HP not tq ...

Greg

 

I get you. I think I'm going to try it. If I can get 190whp with just bolt-ons, I'll be happier than a tick on on a dog.

 

check dan paramon wep page. http://www.dprracing.com he have a little project in a b16a pumping 200-up . good man

 

Hey man just try either Jun 3's or Toda C's, SMSP header ( Daves headers kick ***!), ITR intake manifold, bigger throttle body (opt), 3" intake, 2.5" SMSP exhaust, 2.5" carsound cat, hondata or Vafc and chipped ecu, 190 will be cake with good tuner.
You got nice compression with the b16b, but tq will suck.
I made 180/120 with a b16a stock bottom end, Toda b's, SMSP header and few other goodies.
I was pretty close to being maxed out tq wise tho, add C's, remove a/c & ps, better exhaust and more tuning i figure 190-195/125 would've been my 1.6 liter's limits.
So you figure you'll save 1200$ roughly ... but you will need to spend 2000$ or more to hit your 190whp goal.
Good luck and maybe you should save a few bucks more and do the ITR swap, up to you really.

 

TODACivic suggested ITR intake manifold which is not needed as they are the same thing. Hybridcivci (I believe) or someone else put a post up that said just get CTR/ITR cam combo and pick up 3-4whp cheap and easy, but it appears to modified now. Damnit I knew I should of quoted. Oh well who cares. Just forget it. Maybe I was reading multiple posts at the same time. Probably just going crazy.


Modified by Mr Milano at 5:17 PM 6/3/2003

 

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No one has said that...maybe you should go back and reread the posts word for word.