I was accelerating around a corner, and then had to slow down. As soon as I took my foot off the throttle, I felt the back end slide out. The rear was rotating toward the curb. I immediately got back on the throttle, and dialed in some counter steering. The rear tucked right back in, and I was still able to slow down in a more controlled manner.

I am running the JDM ITR 23 mm bar, and now I have a good appreciation of what the ITR owners who got owned by lift throttle went through. It was a little scary, but I kept my cool and remembered what I had read here about what to do, and what not to do! You guys get a

 

Glad you kept your cool and didn't brake or something. Throttle lift can be scary to be novice driver.

 

its only happend to me once where i lost control. was going way faster than i should have been. it was an off camber left hand turn, slightly downhill. as soon as I lifted out of the throttle and touched the brake, the rear came around. did a full 270 degree spin, ended up stopped sideways in the other lane of traffic. i managed to keep it away from the curb on both sides of the street. thank god nobody else was coming the other way.

 

it owned me...

 

hehe yes very scary, glad you handled it well

 

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I don't really, because in order to get lift throttle oversteer you have to be driving like an idiot on the street (unless your tires are crap) going through a turn at like 3 times the speed limit. Not something I'd be dumb enough to encounter on public roads (maybe take them at 2 times the limit ) but on the track it is for sure something that is encountered often.

I think learning to control it on track is just part of learning to drive the car. But learning to control it for street driving? No way unless you are doing something you know you shouldn't have been doing to begin with.

 

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I am running the JDM ITR 23 mm bar, and now I have a good appreciation of what the ITR owners who got owned by lift throttle went through. It was a little scary, but I kept my cool and remembered what I had read here about what to do, and what not to do! You guys get a </TD></TR></TABLE>

hehehe, you should drive during winterconditions here in Noway.
Snow and ice = understeer understeer oh **** oversteer oversteer Icy conditions are a nice way finding out how the car is going to react when pushed, without having to drive too fast. Comes in quite handy on track days


Modified by Pompiuses at 11:30 AM 5/15/2003

 

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That is true! But it is so much more fun to drift on dry tarmac-track
Oversteer gets the adrenalin pumpin'!

 

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. Not something I'd be dumb enough to encounter on public roads (maybe take them at 2 times the limit ) but on the track it is for sure something that is encountered often.

I think learning to control it on track is just part of learning to drive the car. But learning to control it for street driving? No way unless you are doing something you know you shouldn't have been doing to begin with.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It was a corner into an empty mall parking lot. The mall was closed, and I was meeting some friends there

 

Good recovery man!

 

I'm glad you & the car came out okay.

 

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I don't really, because in order to get lift throttle oversteer you have to be driving like an idiot on the street (unless your tires are crap) going through a turn at like 3 times the speed limit. Not something I'd be dumb enough to encounter on public roads (maybe take them at 2 times the limit ) but on the track it is for sure something that is encountered often.

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I consider myself a novice driver. I didn't even know what lift throttle oversteer was until now. It explained why when i first got my R, i went through a curve too fast....tried braking and my back started to come loose. I just countersteered and hit the gas. I learned now to brake early and then go full throttle about half way through the curve but never ever to brake during the curve again. Good Lessons to be learned on HT!

NT

 

Take a course in car control and you'll learn to properly control lift throttle oversteer. Practice on the skidpad

 

Almost kicked my butt a few weeks ago.

Right turn, almost 90degrees , slightly uphill, 2nd gear...... let off the throttle and it came around. I end up facing the opposite direction. Managed to keep it on the road though with no damage.

 

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I am running the JDM ITR 23 mm bar, and now I have a good appreciation of what the ITR owners who got owned by lift throttle went through. It was a little scary, but I kept my cool and remembered what I had read here about what to do, and what not to do! You guys get a </TD></TR></TABLE>

I got OWNED by throttle lift the first year I got my R... I was racing (yes I know I shouldn't be street racing, but I was stupid) a Mercedes C class down the DVP 1 AM... Took an off ramp at about 140... anyhow rear started sliding and I intuitively hit the brakes.... OOPPPPSS!!!! The car spun at least twice in the middle of the highway off ramp... I ended up the facing the wrong way on a highway off ramp.... I just thank god, I did not meet the curb or a pole or a car coming the other way, the car was totally unscratched.... I did not drive the R for at leat 2 days after that!

 

You get a for good composure.

 

haha so it was that corner going up into sherway? Since when are you running the 23mm bar. You just put the 22mm on like 2 weeks ago.

 

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Hehehe, what you don't know will hurt you on the track! I got the JDM ITR bar, I just never told you , and yes, it was the corner by Sherway. I was booting it up that road when I lifted to slow down to pull to the place where we park.

 

I can't even imagine what it would be like in a type R. I run into lift throttle oversteer in my 98 LS w/ skunkworks coilovers/tokicos, front strut bar, rear strut bar, rear lower tie and trunk brace. I haven't upgraded the rear sway yet but that's next. With my setup I find my tail sliding out on highway onramps, but getting back on the gas always pulls me straight. It makes me wonder just how damn stiff the rear of an ITR is...

 

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same here !
owned my bumper one of my headlights and a careless driving ticket. but Xcopper took care of me. thanks god

 

Just for curiousity sake - what are your tire pressures, tire type and tread depth?

 

Lift throttle oversteer is nice on the track, although a bit scary even there where it can be used in a controlled environment.

But on the street, you gotta be flying on a highway on/off ramp or something like that, and that's no good, nor is the accompanying oversteer.

 

I already learned my lesson from throttle lift oversteer when I had my ITR. $8400 in repairs to the car helped me learn also!

 

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Bit me once at turn 3 at Thunderhill with cold tires. Started to oversteer a bit and did just what I shouldn't have done and let off. Came right around.

 

Wayne I remember you telling me that at the meet was this off the QEW ramp going into sherway?