This is the best picture I could find of the subframe. But can anyone point out where and how the sway bar rips off the subframe?

 

You cant link to geocities. Anyway...it tears on the holes that the bolts go through...

 

The top and middle hole? How does the BSQ mounting kit not rip the subframe holes?

 

Top and bottom holes...That middle hole is nothing. It wont rip because you are mounting it "directly". has to do with leverage and torque and crap like that.

BSQ, come help me out

 

If you dont use a mounting kit the bolts the secure the bushing and bushing barcket on to the subframe will be at an angle. This angle means that there would be a lot of pressure on the thin metal of the sub frame, which may cause the bolts to tear through.

If you look at the top mounting hole and the bottom one, the bottom one is steped in about half an inch. The mounting kits alow you to attach the bushing bracket exactly flat against the metal of the sub frame which increases the strength by massive amounts.

Here is a pic of the BSQ kit on my teg....

 

here is a pic of my skunk2 sway bar... you can see that the mounting plate for the bar is mounted to the outside of the mounting point for the bracket. this angle as said earlier can cause subframe tearout. i havent had a problem yet (im also running 350lb rear springs, this takes a load off of the sway bar)

 

i never knew skunk 2 made sway bars, but nice bar though , what size is it ?

 

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Sure thing!

The cause of subframe tearout is when the larger swaybar is mounted AWAY from the subframe. When the swaybar is mounted in this fashion, the swaybar is able to exert torque on the subframe and this stresses (ie. flexing back and forth) the mounting points and eventually causes the mounting points to pull away from the subframe.

As with anything, an increased amount of leverage makes it easier to do work. This is governed by the lever law: force x distance = torque. As distance--or the length of the lever--increases, the resulting amount of torque also increases. (This is why it was easier to move your big brother on the teeter-totter when he moved towards the middle and you stayed out on the end. You enjoyed increased leverage at the end, while he suffered from reduced leverage near the middle.)

The proper way to mount a large swaybar is to mount it DIRECTLY to the subframe (eg. Integra Type-R). This prevents the torque and stress on the subframe. Go to my webpage at http://www.geocities.com/bretq....html for instructions for installing the Type-R rear swaybar DIRECTLY to the subframe.

 

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Just to warn/inform people. The Skunk2 rear swaybar is notorious for for causing subframe tearout. The reason why, is because it uses a mounting bracket which mounts the swaybar AWAY from the subframe instead of directly to subframe.

I have heard from a lot of people that have experienced subframe tearout from the Skunk2. One person that I know of is board member Gee3. You can go to his website at http://www.geocities.com/garyl....html and read about the his tearout.