Read a bunch of comparison review of the Evo and The STi in the last week (Car & Driver, Motortrend, Sports Car International, Autoweek, Road & Track, and Automobile). Interestingly, the Evo wins all six comparisons due to it being a better driver's car. It has better braking [the best 60-0 times Autoweek and C&D have ever recorded on a production car], steering, handling [particularly on a race track], and shifter feel. It is only slightly slower than the STi in a straight line.

I'm surprised most people here seem to be leaning towards the STi over the Evo. The Evo sounds like it is much closer to the R in philosophy.

I need to take some test drives.

 

I like how the Evo looks a little bit more than the STI... FMIC is so much sexier than the hood scoop. Also, the factory installed non-warranty violating Ralliart **** makes me hard.

 

there are a couple reasons i'd choose the STi over the Evo:

1. the STi's psi is only 14.5 and it's making 300 hp, the Evo is 19.xx and making 271 i believe. The STi has a lot more breathing room ( no pun intended ) in terms of raising boost and not forking out the $$$ for a bigger turbo right out of the gate.

2. the STi has that driver controlled center differential. YUM.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by norice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm surprised most people here seem to be leaning towards the STi over the Evo. The Evo sounds like it is much closer to the R in philosophy.

I need to take some test drives.

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I disagree with that part, I think the STi's philosophy is more in the type-r heritage than the Evo..I mean come on, no radio standard? The STi comes with what it needs to go fast, nothing more, nothing less.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alex_b &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there are a couple reasons i'd choose the STi over the Evo:

1. the STi's psi is only 14.5 and it's making 300 hp, the Evo is 19.xx and making 271 i believe. The STi has a lot more breathing room ( no pun intended ) in terms of raising boost and not forking out the $$$ for a bigger turbo right out of the gate.

2. the STi has that driver controlled center differential. YUM. </TD></TR></TABLE>

No doubt it may be easier to make the STi go even faster in a straight line. If this was a priority, I think I'd buy domestic iron though.

Pretty much all the reviews conclude that unless your second name is Makkinen [ok - he drove and Evo but...] and you are on a gravel course, the DCCD computer is going to do better than the driver in bias selection. On a paved course it does not seem to offer any advantages over the Evo's simpler drivetrain.

 

evo is inline4 vs. STi which is boxer correct? 1 question I had actually was why Subaru went with a 2.5L engine.. i thought there were displacement limitations in WRC (2.0L engines)??

 

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I disagree with that part, I think the STi's philosophy is more in the type-r heritage than the Evo..I mean come on, no radio standard? The STi comes with what it needs to go fast, nothing more, nothing less.
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Apart from the radio, I disagree (unless you mean only fast in a straight line, which is unarguably not the R's philosophy) . The Evo has less kit than the STi - 5 speed instead of six, no front LSD, much simpler center differential and simpler rear differential, and is lighter. According to the reviews, it has faster steering with better feedback, better brakes, handles better on a road course, gives more feedback, and is less comfortable than the STi as a daily driver. Sounds more like the R to me.

 

Might as well just re-title the forum to the

"STi vs. Evo Debate - Since you have an ITR, flame away at these other makes!"

 

I am looking at the New R coming to US instead of EVO or STI..

Honda still rules.. no matter what. LOL..

 

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EVO is ~19 until 5500RPM, falling to 16 until redline/fuelcut.

 

b00st pressure != horsepower

There's so many other factors between two different cars then its probably the most useless comparison between them that you could make.

 

Will this non-Honda *cough cough* debate ever die???

IBTL

 

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Apart from the radio, I disagree (unless you mean only fast in a straight line, which is unarguably not the R's philosophy) . The Evo has less kit than the STi - 5 speed instead of six, no front LSD, much simpler center differential and simpler rear differential, and is lighter. According to the reviews, it has faster steering with better feedback, better brakes, handles better on a road course, gives more feedback, and is less comfortable than the STi as a daily driver. Sounds more like the R to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

But, isn't STi more sophisticated for grueling track/gravel use? Doesn't the STi tranny have double cone synchro for 1st & 3rd and triple cone synchro for 2nd? It just sounds like STi is meant to be abused. But, what do I know, I own neither of them.

 

evo all the way! i've always wanted one. anyways i'd rather have a mitsubishi rather then a subi . the subi's (USDM) STi has a new engine the 2.5 which is not even the REAL sti motor. i'd rather have something that been proven for years.

 

useless? no, i dont think so. but what would you deem worthy of comparing?

 

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compression ratio?

8.2:1 in the STi
8.8:1 in the EVO.

weeeeeeeeeeee

IBTR.

 

I guess I should have had more sense than to start this thread. I was genuinely wondering why most R owners seemed to have a preference for the STi when the Evo looks like a more ITR-like match.

IBTL

 

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Honda still rules.. no matter what. LOL..</TD></TR></TABLE>

PiYO, I thought that you always wanted to exchange your R with an EVO...

 

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But, isn't STi more sophisticated for grueling track/gravel use? Doesn't the STi tranny have double cone synchro for 1st & 3rd and triple cone synchro for 2nd? It just sounds like STi is meant to be abused. But, what do I know, I own neither of them. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually, the Evo has a triple syncro 1st and 2nd gear. 3rd and 4th are double, and 5th is single. by Cosworths reasoning, the Evo has the Tranny built to be abused...

Most of the magazines say that they think the Sti would be better for off-road use....mostly due to soft suspension tuning. But rod Millen posted a better time with the Evo than the Sti on the off road course he was testing on.

Subaru used the 2.5L engine because it could not retain the HP numbers it was shooting for with the 2.0l AND pass CA emissions.

I have an Evo and I can say that the philosophy between the 2 cars is very similar. The way the 2 cars behave at speed is even similar in many regards.

Cheese~ whos Evo already has 5000 miles on the clock

 

Cheeseman, have any idea what kind of lease rates they're giving on the Evo? (Not just the ones they publish, the lease rates you get if you tickle the sales manager's nuts a little bit)

 

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i thought mitsu was not doing any financing on the EVO (our local one isn't)... you have to go through someone else

 

huhu...disturbing mental image....

They had no leasing or Mitsu sponsored financing deals for the Evo at all. You couldn't lease an Evo if you tried, unless you did it through a 3rd party...but they may have recently started a program....but I am not aware of it if they did.

Cheese~

 

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Yes useless. Its stupid.

Boost pressure is such a BS variable in the whole equation. Turbo size? Compressor Trim? Piping size? Electronics control (anti-lag, etc)? Motor size?

How about real world numbers? Dyno plots, driving impressions, lap time comparisons? Now thats worth comparing.

I can keep going if you want.

You could have a big *** turbo making the same power at 8psi as a little turbo at 15psi (just an example). With option 1 people bitch "its only got 8psi" and option 2 people bitch "there's not much room for improvement or its inefficient"

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Cheeseman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">huhu...disturbing mental image....

They had no leasing or Mitsu sponsored financing deals for the Evo at all. You couldn't lease an Evo if you tried, unless you did it through a 3rd party...but they may have recently started a program....but I am not aware of it if they did.

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That's odd, I was under the impression you could lease any car.

 

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