Well im in search of mor power in my car but I Dont want to mess with the internals since this is my daily driver. I went to the SOCAL meet last SUN and came accross A ITR and saw he had a SMS header I had never scene one in person and was amazed at the beauty of it and craftsmanship on it . I found out later that same car with stock intake and stock ECU and just SMS header and a 2.5 cat and 2.5 all they way back to a spoon N1 made mid 180WHP .

So naturaly I wanted one. my ? to all the ITR's here that have one what do u like and dont like about the header and could u give me your impressions on the Performance of the header and mabe some WHP #'s and your mods.

Basicly I want to be positve im spending a G in the right place.

My mods as of now are JDM 4-1, Comptech intake +ice box and SMS carsound 2.5 and a 2.5 copy cat of SMS's cat back on the car and it has HODATA everything else on the car is stock injectors FPR cam setting u name it. Car puts down 173.2 WHP and 124 tq any boddy want to extimate what she will put out with a SMS header on her.

Any and all feeback is apreciated
Thanks for your time

chris


Modified by underrated99si at 8:44 AM 5/8/2003

 

Well seeing that you have a few more mods then Arno's R I would say that you could see 190whp with the right tuning.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PyR01-0347 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well seeing that you have a few more mods then Arno's R I would say that you could see 190whp with the right tuning.</TD></TR></TABLE> I could only hope.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by underrated99si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My mods as of now are JDM 4-1, Comptech intake +ice box and SMS carsound 2.5 and a 2.5 copy cat of SMS's cat back on the car and it has HODATA everything else on the car is stock injectors FPR cam setting u name it. Car puts down 173.2 WHP and 124 tq any boddy want to extimate what she will put out with a SMS header on her.

Any and all feeback is apreciated
Thanks for your time

chris</TD></TR></TABLE>

HO-DATA??? lol, whats that?

j/p, free bump

 

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Indeed you will be.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by underrated99si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Car puts down 173.2 WHP and 124 tq any boddy want to extimate what she will put out with a SMS header on her.</TD></TR></TABLE>

do you only want higher peak numbers?

:shrugg:

 

Dave is a class act! I was fortunate enough to meet Dave way back and ended up with the first ITR header. He took the time to answer all my questions and even went to the dyno with me to help tune it! While the current design has made evolutionary changes since mine, the quality speaks for itself. Dave's attention to detail and customer service are also unmatched. His previous H-T post prove that. I give him two

 

Since the IB dyno reads so low, I'm sure you can hit 18x with your current setup probably at some other dyno.

 

how much do his headers go for?

 

his go for about 1000-1100 depending

also if anyone is interested i will have an sms itr header(price is going to be real cheap) for sale in july as i am on the waiting list for a new b20 header from dave...

 

trying to out do dennis huh chris? hehe j/k.

 

no one can out do dennis with what he did to his car...

 

Check out my post here https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=396668

 

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do you only want higher peak numbers?

:shrugg:</TD></TR></TABLE> Nope Im looking for bottom and mid increase so it will flow with the high end here is my dyno graph now I just want the car to kick more *** than it does now all over the power band thats my major goal.


I just want to make this great graph alittle better than it is now with out having to beat up my motor internaly to do so

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jonnybravo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Check out my post here https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=396668 </TD></TR></TABLE>

wow ! i can only imagine if you would run skunk stage 3 cams ...

 

Looking at your dyno and seeing what happened to my car with a similar header to SMSP, I think you'll be very happy with the results.

You should get an earlier torque rise with the tuned SMSP setup as well as lengthening the powerband in the high end. Instead of your torque dropping after 6500 RPM, it should extend further out to 7500 RPM and then start to drop, which will give you a stronger curve and that higher peak number that you want. If your current torque was just lengthened out to 7500 RPM you should hit 180whp+ peak at 8000 RPM. You'll break 180whp easy especially if you have cam/fuel tuning done on an SMSP header and 2.5" cat/exhaust setup.

 

wow, 7900 , early peak, SMSP owns man, that's probably one of the header that u wouldn't want to change after u get it, and i'm getting SMSP instead of hytech now i guess

 

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Under $1000.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats not the quote i got for my b20 header, but think the b20 header is a bit bigger

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They did this because they wanted a car that I could use on the track and not get caught off the cam.
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I would be quite surprised if someone could drive this car and get caught "off the cam".......

 

GSR in ceramic coated mild steel $950
ITR in ceramic coated mild steel $975
B20VTEC ceramic coated mild steel $1050
B20VTEC with stainless tubing and CRS flanges $1150

 

This is a b18c5 right?

I have actually heard the opposite about the IB dyno. I heard it reads high.

Cruzer

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SMSP &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
B20VTEC ceramic coated mild steel $1050
B20VTEC with stainless tubing and CRS flanges $1150</TD></TR></TABLE>

OT:What is the weight difference between these to?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

From the words you're using, I would guess that you are trying to do what they just finished doing with my car.

Here is the graph the way the car is set up now. David Stadulis (SMSP) and Steve Sakai (SGT Racing/Hondata) cooperated to get this result on the dyno recently.



They could have easily seen 5-10 more horses up top if they weren't worried about the midrange.

They did this because they wanted a car that I could use on the track and not get caught off the cam.

The car's a delight to drive around town, too, and still averages 29.5 miles per gallon.

Since you already have the Hondata, I am sure you'll be able to get these or even better figures.

If this is the kind of thing you're interested in, I'm sure Dave ("SMSP" on Honda Tech) and Steve ("SGT" on Honda Tech) would share information.</TD></TR></TABLE> HOLLY **** THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT I MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE U BURN ME THAT HONDATA CHIP

 

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OT:What is the weight difference between these to?</TD></TR></TABLE>

none

 

so is sms header better than mugen one ?
acually never heard of this header b4 and seems like no one knows this header in canada too