My friend just got a Spoon tranny the other day. What are the ways to figure out if it is a Spoon tranny or not? It has an LSD stamp, and the tranny code is S4C.

The JDM 98SpecR tranny has the USDM 1-3 gears, plus the GSR 4th, and 5th gears right. So to figure out if his car has a JDM ITR tranny, his 4th and 5th gear should yield lower RPMS, right? We tested this yesterday and in 5th @ 80 his RPMS where like around 4000-4100 when my USDM tranny in 5th @ 80 my RPMS where around 4400-4500.

So then I ask this next question, how does the JDM Final Drive effect the car's RPM when they are controlled by each gear?

EDIT: Okay. It makes sense now. When people install JDM FD's into USDM trannys, some do not replace the 4th or 5th gear so the revs will not be decreased like the JDM tranny.

So having the GSR 4th and 5th gears with the JDM FD is hardly noticeable right? As compared to a USDM tranny with stock 4th, 5th gears and the JDM final Drive.

 

GSR 4/5 is absolutly retarded compared to USDM 4/5 with any FD.

 

GSR 4th/5th on the jdm final is a total waste

IMHO


P.S. What D said

 

So basically the JDM FD does nothing in his car right? Is acceleration helped in any way?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18CXr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GSR 4th/5th on the jdm final is a total waste

IMHO


P.S. What D said</TD></TR></TABLE>

unless you b00stin'

 

So basically the JDM FD does nothing in his car right? Is acceleration

no, his 1-3rd is nicey nice but she falls on her *** after 4th compared to keeping the "Rrrrrr" 4t/5th

 

LOL. He had an EG SiRII transmission before and the 1-3 gears are the same as an ITR's 1-3, sucks. Well, at least he has LSD

 

Doesn't the spoon tranny have the spoon FD (4.875) in it?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Doesn't the spoon tranny have the spoon FD (4.875) in it?</TD></TR></TABLE>

thas what i thought too...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Doesn't the spoon tranny have the spoon FD (4.875) in it?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nope, a Spoon tranny is just a new 98 Spec JDM ITR tranny with Spoon magic dust sprinkled on it.

It is cheaper than buying one from Honda though (if you want to buy a new tranny).

 

That's f-ing ghey. I thought it was different. Figures.

Spoon Magic Dust, LOL.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's f-ing ghey.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not really, because as stated above it IS cheaper than buying the same tranny from Honda.

 

True, true.

 

The spoon tranny is diassembled, cleared, and reassembled by the spoon mechanics to ensure everything is top notch BLEH.

I guess if you want better gas mielage, the 4th and 5th gears do help.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by skafia &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guess if you want better gas mielage, the 4th and 5th gears do help.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you want better gas mileage, just don't press the gas as much.

The GSR 4th and 5th gears only hinder performance, there is NO upside to using them.

If he hasn't installed the tranny yet, now would be the perfect time to install ITR 4th and 5th gears.

 

What is with everyone and longer gears for gas mileage? WTF???

Reid can attest to this. 4700 rpms basically the entire way there/back from BeaveRun. maybe higher. 85+mph. 32.5 AVERAGE gas mileage for the over 1000 mile journey.

Do you think if I had a JDM FD or an ATS FD and was revving constantly around 4900-5200, that it would make any difference in gas mileage? No, as long as I wasn't cruising in VTEC like mugen mike (Mugen ECU ownza mike!).

The non-vtec lobes get amazing gas mileage. What's spending big money on 4-5 GS-R gears and installation going to change? nothing.

I don't get it.

and NO this is not pointed at anyone in particular, it is pointed at ALL the crapper heads that wuss out and get longer gears for basically no reason.

(except those that get longer gears for b00st of course!!)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> it is pointed at ALL the crapper heads that wuss out and get longer gears </TD></TR></TABLE>

LMAO

 

99 jdm itr tranny, 4500rpm going 80mph in 5th gear. Thats if my tach is right.

Not sure how that spoon, supposed to be the same specs, is running 400-500 lower. Unless the tach is wayyyy off on one of ours.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What is with everyone and longer gears for gas mileage? WTF???

Reid can attest to this. 4700 rpms basically the entire way there/back from BeaveRun. maybe higher. 85+mph. 32.5 AVERAGE gas mileage for the over 1000 mile journey.

Do you think if I had a JDM FD or an ATS FD and was revving constantly around 4900-5200, that it would make any difference in gas mileage? No, as long as I wasn't cruising in VTEC like mugen mike (Mugen ECU ownza mike!).

The non-vtec lobes get amazing gas mileage. What's spending big money on 4-5 GS-R gears and installation going to change? nothing.

I don't get it.

and NO this is not pointed at anyone in particular, it is pointed at ALL the crapper heads that wuss out and get longer gears for basically no reason.

(except those that get longer gears for b00st of course!!)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Unless it's a scientific study that Reid conducted, I would not believe those figures. I know there is going to be fuel wasted revving the car an extra 500 rpms when not needed.

 

I still don't get it. Why would the JDM ITR motor have the 4.785 final drive if it is of no beneft? What exactly does the FD change?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by skafia &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I still don't get it. Why would the JDM ITR motor have the 4.785 final drive if it is of no beneft? What exactly does the FD change?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It changes the numerical multiplication of torque.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by skafia &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know there is going to be fuel wasted revving the car an extra 500 rpms when not needed.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nope.

Staying out of VTEC plays the biggest role on gas mileage.

 

Oh my god.

Drive your car for 2 hours at 4000rpm.
Drive your car for 2 hours at 4500rpm.
Drive your car for 2 hours at 5000tpm.

Obviously don't touch the gas if possible for sake of the arguement.
Only stop/start to get gas to check the MPG.

I BET you all three would be very very similar, very close, within 1-2 mpg, and all would be above 30, at least in my car.

Besides, do you really think 1-2 mpg makes a big enough difference to warrant spending $$ to swap out the gears? Figure out how much it would cost to buy a JDM or ATS FD, 4-5 gsr gears, installation.... kinda expensive to save 1-2 mpg don't you think??

(i wasn't referring to the jdm trannies that come this way, btw, i was referring to those that spend 400-700 to get a JDM or ATS FD and then spend 2-300 on gsr 4-5 gears + install to save 'gas mileage'.)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by skafia &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I still don't get it. Why would the JDM ITR motor have the 4.785 final drive if it is of no beneft? What exactly does the FD change?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It has a benefit.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Reid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Nope.

Staying out of VTEC plays the biggest role on gas mileage.</TD></TR></TABLE>

exactly.