To Andie, Bryan, Oscar and the whole R-speed group. The major fade that I experienced at the end of each session at the expo, (sometimes the fade was so bad that I couldn't even slow up enough to down to 3rd for some crucial corners,) has been fixed...

I bled my brakes today,,, and used an entire can of ATE superblue (Thanks Neomugen/Ray I owe you,) and a tilton bottle instead of guessing with a black rubber hose and drain pan... and removed several pesky bubbles.

My Bro helped today and We went for a spin afterwards... Now, even with Stock pads at 3/4 life it is rock hard and minimal fade under severe downhill braking and several controlled stops which I will neglect to mention the speeds, (think bedding speeds and beyond.)

At any rate, it was Not the brake master cylinder nor was it the booster either of which would have really f*cked things up for me. It was just air bubbles in the front lines.

What I learned? Do things right the First time and Especially with **** that stops you from going 110mph into corners where you need to down to 3rd gear!

Major Thanks to Andie for his help and suggestions at the Expo, (I did everything by the book, LITERALLY, I will contact you for the new pads soon,) Ray for his can of brake fluid, Oscar for helping me at the Expo, (even if we didn't succeed, I got home safe and my wife thanks you for that,) Matt for his wit and candor, rodney/Chris for the use of his tilton bottle And the service manual, Bryan my instructor for putting up with me and maybe thinking I could have pushed deeper and not making any derogitory comments, (you were a great help BTW,) and to all those who provided helpful information.


Thanks guys, I'm all set no even though it is a week late.


A.

 

Thats grand.

 

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Thanks for your support.

 

I don't remember reading in your other thread, but how well did you bleed your brakes before? My brakes felt like *** at the Expo, even after I bled 2 liters of fluid, and Acura replaced the MC and re-bled. The car goes back to Acura on Monday to troubleshoot some more. Per Trey's recommendation, I'm going to ask the tech's to look at the abs system.

 

anton, glad you are all set...
i haven't even touch my pos since i got back from expo

 

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I bled my stock fluid out (with a black hose and drip pan ) and added the ATE super blue, ( I also did the brakes in the reverse order of the manual as per a good friends advice) and cobalt rotors and stock pads at home before the expo.

Everything was fine, I seasoned the rotors and bedded in the stock pads, so I thought but it was very cold out then, about 32 degrees.

I drove the 400 or so miles and swapped in my Hawk blues for Saturday and had a shortened session of bedding them in in the morning before we drove.

I drove all 3 sessions on Saturday and progressively noticed that towards the end of each session my pedal sunk deeper and deeper until the last lap of the 3rd session for that day when it went to the floor and rested on the rubber stopper, Not allowing me to brake enough for turn #1 or either uphill chicane.

Fast forward to Sunday where I had the last night spoken to several good friends that gave me advice, the most of which was either I was dragging the brakes and overheating them OR there was air in my lines.

I drove the first session with Bryan and noticed my brakes to again fade towards the end of my session but, actualy worse this time. I pulled in a lap or 2 before everyone this session and started to bleed by brakes with help of Chris, Oscar and Yasu's tools.

We bled the front but, it is a 4 way system and didn't bleed all 4 corners... It did get firmer but, really only half pedel. Andie gave me a few suggestions and possible reasons as to what it might have beeen.

Fast forward again th the start of this post and us bloeeding the WHOLE SYSTEM IN ORDER & USING the WHOLE can of ATE Superblue and not just the 1/4 that I had used before... And there you have it... Back to normal with great pedel feel with stock pads... The Hawks felt stronger but, they also ate through my rotors at an extremely accelerated rate so "such is life, and you play you pay..."

I would definitely follow the manuals directions for testing the master cylinder and brake booster and Then bleeding the brake fluid and Again trying it all out and seeing what it what.

Good luck,


A.

 

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i haven't even touch my pos since i got back from expo</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks Marc,, yeah my bro came back from College this weekend and was bothering me for a ride so I suckered him into helping me with the brakes as an exchange for a quick run.

 

Good to hear that it wasn't a mechanical problem Anton!

Honestly? Next time around, I'm going to flush my brakes properly too. After I bled the fronts alone at the Expo with the good ole fashioned method made my brake pedal as good as when I first got the car. Keeping the bleeder open and pumping the fluid out method just doesn't firm up the pedal, IMHO.

It may take longer but I'm going to flush the system properly next weekend.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thk &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Good to hear that it wasn't a mechanical problem Anton!

Honestly? Next time around, I'm going to flush my brakes properly too. After I bled the fronts alone at the Expo with the good ole fashioned method made my brake pedal as good as when I first got the car. Keeping the bleeder open and pumping the fluid out method just doesn't firm up the pedal, IMHO.

It may take longer but I'm going to flush the system properly next weekend. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks Kyle,

If you need any help or advice, just let me know but, the best bet is to just put it on jack stands and follow the Helm's manual. Good as new.

 

We shouldn't been too lazy to just bleed the 2 front brake.......I guess the air bubble is "hiding" somewhere in the back playing game with us

 

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It may take longer but I'm going to flush the system properly next weekend. </TD></TR></TABLE>

just ask Marc, we flush the whole brake system in his car just days before Expo, even with 2 person driving his car and still no problem.

 

Anton,
Remember, our brake system (and I think most modern brake systems) are crossed. The right front and left rear are matched and vice versa. I think it is this way so if you have a failure in one end, you still have braking in at least two wheels. Anyway... when you bleed just the fronts, there can still be air in the rear and the air will then travel back to the front. Therefore bleeding just the fronts is probably a waste of time. (True, in some instances you may luck out and the air is right there at the front).

Or I can be very wrong and since it is 3am and I cannot sleep, I am talking out of my butt.... time to go to sleep.... I am glad your brakes work well now !!

 

It's ok Anton, I already forgot how that Gold ATE appear out of nowhere. Now I remember...

Kyle: I want your tube.

 

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Uh ...

Ya might want to rephrase that a bit.

 

I'm dumb. What's a Tilton Bottle?

 

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Uh ...

Ya might want to rephrase that a bit. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Uh...yeah. I think I do need to rephrase...

Kyle: I would like to know where to get that bleeding tube of yours.

 

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Any of you guys using speed bleeders?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I installed SpeedBleeders for my first brake flush and the pedal never felt the same as stock. The car still stopped great but the pedal feel was mushy at best. I have now gone back to the stock bleed screws with new CC-X pads but I can't say if it feels like stock again because I've forgotten how the stock pedal feels.