Just wanted to get an opinion of a setup for a b18c5

Toda Spec A
Portflow Head
ITR/Portflow springs
CTR pistons
SMS header
Carsound Cat
Custom exhaust
Hondata s200 with 440cc injectors

With a competent tuner, what power do you think this would make?

 

Not fast enough

 

i'd say at least 200whp or close to it.

 

i'd say over 200 whp.. maybe 210.. but tahts just me

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.Integra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'd say over 200 whp.. maybe 210.. but tahts just me </TD></TR></TABLE>

no
amazingly you arent the first person to use that setup

 

Depends on how it's tuned, but offhand I'd say it should be good for low-mid 190s.

 

440cc???

i have 84mm block, JUN3 head port and polish. 11.5CR and i am running 270cc. call RC and ask. they will tell you that is overboard.

 

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Well i got these cams, they gave me a (max) gain 12hp (somewhere in the rpm band, and thhis exhaust was good for 5 hp gain (max, somewhere else in the rpm band) and i saw a dyno where this guy got 8 hp (max gain) from his intake and i can get a 10 hp bump for the header (max gain) and i can tune it so that must be at least 12 hp.

So i can get 220hp in my GSR right?

 

you dont need the hondata or the 440's

 

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Well i got these cams, they gave me a (max) gain 12hp (somewhere in the rpm band, and thhis exhaust was good for 5 hp gain (max, somewhere else in the rpm band) and i saw a dyno where this guy got 8 hp (max gain) from his intake and i can get a 10 hp bump for the header (max gain) and i can tune it so that must be at least 12 hp.

So i can get 220hp in my GSR right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

don't need to be an *** about it

The way i thought was.. If sgt can make 200 whp on his itr, then this guy that i kno should be able to make more power cuz he's got better compression, a worked head, and a better header.. given the right tuner of course

 

IM telling you....you better go bigger cuz that setup isn't going to cut it.

 

you will easily be over the 200 mark

if the engine is done by a competent builder and someone tunes it good, then you will easily see 200-215ishwhp

i would just get some toda springs instead of itr outer/portflow inner

440 might be a lil overkill, but the only downside is an ever so slightly rough idle

when i did data logging on my eninge the other night (my engine 11.5 cr, 98itr cams) I was getting 80% out of my injectors (rc310) at 100% throttle

that is very ideal, you want to be at 77-83%

hondata isnt needed, but if you want to get all of the power your engine is capable of, you will certainly need cam gears and hondata.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RTErnie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IM telling you....you better go bigger cuz that setup isn't going to cut it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
and what is this supposed to mean? he cant go higher cr ratio. you mean bigger cams?
with running over 12 cr he should be able to use toda b's

and im still not sure why people dont think he will get over 200whp
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=396668
jonnybravo hit 207 with a lil more aggresive cams, but lower cr and a stock bottom end.

mr. integra will have a finer balanced bottom end (i assume if hes getting itbuilt) and lower cr ratio

 

thanks for the advice bob. we're hoping we can push to about 205-210 whp. the toda valvesprings would be a great idea if he plans to swap out the A's later on.

As for RTErnie (a non honda owner), that little pest been patriotically following me around on honda-tech cuz i won't drive to oregon to race him

 

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let a mod or mods know about that tool. he should be banned if he is just posting crap with sole purpose to **** you off

its always nice to have stiff valve spring if you accidentally mis shift, or need to hold the gas coming out of a turn

 

Mr. Integra,
Don't insult me like that. First of all you talk **** to me. I ask you to come race me...you say you would, but its too far to drive.

So I offer to come down to California(going there anyway) and race him for some cash. Then the **** talking continues, but he wont back it up and race me. So I see his post here...about his dream setup...and politly told him it wouldn't be enough.

so yeah I changed my tense half way through...hope it didn't throw you off.

 

With a good tuner, you should be able to be at around 200whp. however, if you are raising the compression, with the CTR pistons, why not try to go a little more aggressive with the cams, maybe some Toda Spec B's, Skunk stage 2, or even some JUN3's???? With either one of those cams, you should be able to break the 200whp mark no problem. if you are building the car to drag with it, i would look more into the skunks or the juns, since the todas are known to have a much more aggressive mid range then high end power.

the 440 injectors, i would have to say is a bit overkill also, dont need all that.

However your exhaust setup is perfect, with the sms header and custom exhaust, look at Grandpa's dyno, awsome numbers on stock motor to sms who builds such quaility products.

 

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I think that's definitely a recipe for 200+, judging from my own recent 192 HP experience without CTR pistons and with stock cams.

A lot's gonna depend on the tuner, and whether you to for a broad power band or a VTEC-spikey power band.

Good luck w/the project! It's amazing how much power's available.
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he wont make 210-215ish like he is saying. you might be at 192 already, but keep in mind the Spec A cam has just about the same peak lift of the itr cam and only a little more duraction, that isnt going to make over 20hp... and the pistons will only slightly help.


Modified by BustaNutt-616 at 6:33 PM 4/30/2003

 

sgt made 207 wheel horse on toda A's milled head .20, FPR, mugen header, greedy exhuast and a feilds vtec controller. So I would have to say it all depends on the tunner bottom line.

 

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..yeah i've heard about that guy.. but i know absolutely nothing about his car

 

From what I've been told... If you want to stick with a factory piston, go with the JDM ITR pistons and mill a little off the head. I've heard the shape of the CTR piston dome is too pointed. With a little head milling to achive the same compression as with the CTR pistons, the ITR pistons will yeild better results.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 6ghatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From what I've been told... If you want to stick with a factory piston, go with the JDM ITR pistons and mill a little off the head. I've heard the shape of the CTR piston dome is too pointed. With a little head milling to achive the same compression as with the CTR pistons, the ITR pistons will yeild better results. </TD></TR></TABLE>

...too pointed? in what regard? for what?

 

I believe he means "domed" its for valve relief.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I think that's definitely a recipe for 200+, judging from my own recent 192 HP experience without CTR pistons and with stock cams.

A lot's gonna depend on the tuner, and whether you to for a broad power band or a VTEC-spikey power band.

Good luck w/the project! It's amazing how much power's available.
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192.. nice. shoudl be enough power to topple earlier nsx's at events

98Itr484: Spec A's for less hassle and ease of tuning.. from my knowledge, those cams you listed are pretty hard to tune.. especially the B's and C's, which really require someone with a lot of knowledge in dealing with those cams.


thanks for the advice

 

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98Itr484: Spec A's for less hassle and ease of tuning.. from my knowledge, those cams you listed are pretty hard to tune.. especially the B's and C's, which really require someone with a lot of knowledge in dealing with those cams.
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Well if the person tuning the car, cant tune skunk stage 2s or even toda b's i wouldnt let him tune my toda a's. The lift/duration of the cam should not affect whether or not the tuner is able to tune them or not, if that is what your tuner is telling you, find a new one

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by baonest &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">440cc???

i have 84mm block, JUN3 head port and polish. 11.5CR and i am running 270cc. call RC and ask. they will tell you that is overboard. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You aregoing to run out of fuel.