Since M00gen ECU doesn`t work and Spoon called threir product back, I need another ECU for our EP3 racecar.. Or someone whp can reprogram or chip..

Anybody ?

 

yeah, we are in the same dilemma here. Did not know spoon is recalling their ECU, what happen?

Any news from Hondata, Doug?! How was te testing in UK?

 

im another one with the same prob... except i also need to get it legal.... hahahaha i guesss we'll have to wait fora líl bit

 

We don't need it legal, it is just for the track. You won't get an aftermarket ECU for the CTR which is legal.

 

We have two ECUs being tested in the UK. One for the K20A2 engine and one for the K20A ITR engine. Initial testing on a Caterham with K20A2 Engine with a US Spec ECU and program is positive. This week the ECU will be installed into a Euro Civic Type R.

In the next two weeks we will be modifying the Euro Civic Type R ECU to install the US program. We expect similar results.

All emissions testing to date in the US has shown results indistinguishable from stock and smog legal in California (the toughest state to pass in). What is required for a Euro Civic Type R to be legal (as fas as ECU modifications go)?

What is the engine you have for your track car and what are the modifications allowed? What are the types of races you compete in? I am sure we could do something for you.

 

Hi Doug

The Class we have here in Austria is called Austrian Touring Car Challenge. We are allowed to use only homologated parts, so no aftermarket engine internals are allowed. The ECU is free, standalone from every brand is okay. The engine was a stock euro CTR engine with 200bph an since the JDM CTR parts are homologated from FIA we have actualy an JDM CTR engine here with about 220bhp. On the track the a/f mixture is a bit too lean, but it is not allowed to run larger injectors or stronger fuel pump, so a aftermarket ECU which jas richer a/f would be great. More revs and modified Vtec switch over would be nice too.

You ned TUV certification to get the Hondata system legal for Europe. This is very expensive and don't think it is worth for the few people who will run it on the streets. And the people who wants an aftermarket ECU don't care about TUV. TUV is a very stupid thing, cause we don't even get rims legalized like VOLK te37, etc, cause it is not TUV approved (only JWL, VIA, ISO) and our TUV engineers give a **** on thhose international standards.

Personaly I have never heard of any aftermarket ECU which is legal to use......only for Diesel engines, cause they are very popular in Europe, but like on the fuel cars....most people don't care about TUV approved Diesel Chips.

It is also not enought to have it TUV approven. Every Diesel car which is upgraded with an aftermarket Chip has to get to the TUV and let em make inspection and ´the TUV guys will write the modification into the car papers.

If you have an Car which makes 200BHP + an aftermarket ECU for 10bhp more, you have to pay more insurance, cause your car is now stronger and thisis getting expensiver.............hehehe, so most Diesel drivers do not get to TUV inspection to get the mod in the car papers. They want to pay for only 110bhp and not for 140bhp.

Engine tuning + TUV = does not work and it is so much hassle, you get crazy.

PS: In every Country it is a bit different, so you have to do some slightly different stuff. I know the Austrian and German TUV give a **** on Swiss approved parts, so we are not able to get a 16inch Supperleggera for our Hondas legal on the car. The 16inch Superlegera can be purchased from Swiss only, don't ask me why

Sven (ITR1858) is in the same boat than me.....we need a good ECU for the race track to get better lap times. I see the need of 1-3 ECU here for race cars only and maybe a few road racers who have only the stock euro CTR engine.

 

I wait good news from hondata for my italian Civic Type R with TODA cams/springs

 

I need numbers:

For your Japanese 220 hp CTR get me the engine block number(should be K20A) and intake manifold number (should be PRC). These numbers should differ from the 200 HP engine.

Get me the ECU part numbers for both cars. It should be something like 37820 PRA E02 on the side of the ECU.

I need to know what the air fuel ratios are at what RPM, and the brand of A/F measuring device you are using. Dyno plots will help.

I can then correlate this with the fuel mapping in the Euro ECU and make the changes.

There will be two ways of getting this. One is to send us a Euro ECU and we will reprogram it. The second is for us to send you a US ECU with the Euro program installed. This will obviously be more expensive. We will be confirming this by testing this over the next two weeks. We have limited access to a Euro CTR here in LA to test on. Once testing is completed to ensure there are no problems, Toda's ECU reflash will become available (through Toda USA).

Doug

 

Doug,

we have a Euro spec Civic Type R, EP3.
It`s running hot cams and a 200cell cat. We have bad problems with the lambda-measuring.. The ecu shuts down and switches to "emergancy-mode" if you know what I mean.

Your software should solve this problem.

As for the numbers:
Means we now have to find out the ratio from 500rpm up to top end and tell you which hardware we used, plus the number of the stock ECU, right ?
With these numbers you don`t need a list of the bolt ons and cam specs.

You can burn this program to a ECU and ship it if we pay the price..

Please correct me if repeated everything wrong...

Thanks for your help.

Sven

PS:
I know a LOT Ep3 drivers who would ask for a good Ecu.

 

It is actualy a Euro CTR Engine but with all the JDM goodies inside

- JDM cams
- JDM pistons
- JDM exhaust manifold
- JDM ECU by JAS Italy (550rpm idle is removed)
- we will send you an stock JDM CTR ECU or Euro CTR ECU, since you will change the tables it migh be a good idea to change the euro ECU, since we will never use it again.

The intake manifold is stock Euro piece, cause the JDM intake manifold is not homologated, so we are not allowed to run it in our class. It is like Group-N.

We go on dyno the next few weeks to measrue the exact O2 with Bosch wide band on Bosch dyno. I will tell you if we need same, richer or leaner mixture, also where to set the X-Over and new Redline.

How much do you think will it cost to rechip the stock JDM CTR ECU?! Can it get reprogrammed or can you get us maybe 3 different chips to change them out for testing?

Our Race team is very interessted in the Hondata Chip, I have told em from your testing in UK and so.

 

Doug,
my CTR is a euroepan ctr, it’s EP3 with K20A2 motor (200hp), the same of RSX Type S.
The only difference with RSX TypeS is that the EP3 has the “<u>steering electric</u>” and the RSX has the “steering hydraulic” by “oil pressure”, and the ecu checks this parameter of steering. For this, the ecu of RSX don’t work on EP3.
The ecu of my EP3 is: KEIHIN CSE 37820-PRA-E02 - 2030 100433.
The intake manifold is honda original.
For the dyno result, Thursday (17 april) I go to my dyno and Friday I scan here my graphic result.

 

Highly suggest full reprogrammable JAS ECU

 

do you have a link?

 

It's a fantastic E.C.U. plug and play but the price is about $2500................


http://www.jasmotorsport.com/

http://www.mectronik.com/plugplay/typer.html

 

hm, is there a basic fuel and ignition table available from where the tuning on the dyno can be started?

 

yes, "a basic fuel and ignition table" in the stock japan ctr has 232 hp!!!!!

 

Sven:

The ECU we are testing with is : 37820-PRA-E02.

Our testing with O2 sensors shows that the car will run well at wide open throttle with the O2 sensors disconnected. There is an engine check light, but the car runs OK.

"Means we now have to find out the ratio from 500rpm up to top end and tell you which hardware we used, plus the number of the stock ECU, right ?
With these numbers you don`t need a list of the bolt ons and cam specs."

A dyno chart with airfuel ratio will also help the most. Knowing the cam specs compared to the stock cams and the Japanese Integra Type R cams will help us to set the cam timing.


Our goal (at the moment) is to make two programs for the Civic Type R.

1) Civic Type R with cold air intake, headers, stock catalytic converter and cat back exhaust.
2) Civic with hotter cams (Japanese Type R cams, intake manifold, good headers, no cat and cold air intake.

Cost will be a little more than the US program because the Euro ECUs require additional parts to be programmed.

We could make something custom if it is not too much work. The best way of course is for me to fly there and custom tune it for you.

Mr. TurboMafia Red Bull:

Send me your ECU to program. We can only install one program. If you want more programs you will have to send me more ECUs.

"- JDM ECU by JAS Italy (550rpm idle is removed)"

What does this mean. Does JAS reprogram Honda ECUs? Are you referring to the 5500 rev limit when the car is not moving?

Doug

 

That cool info Doug.

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I think that will be a programm which will match not bad for us. But we have to run a cat, stock intake and Euro intake manifold + jdm exhaust manifold

A question about the different reprogramming for Euro ECU.
I have heard only difference are the wires for the fuel pump. ?! They have to be cuted and rewired or something like that

Our Racer told me something on an 550 idle rpm which is higher now. JAS does reprogram CTR ECUs. Our Italy member posted the link on this thread. It seems JAS has also an standalone ECU, but hella expensive.

 

[QUOTE=austrian type-R]That cool info Doug.

I think that will be a programm which will match not bad for us. [QUOTE]

Yo !
Number 2) seems okay for us. We run a ram air intake and a big cf box, stock euro intake manifold, good header, a free flowing cat and a 60,5mm ID exhaust.

How much, Doug ?