I just got my hands on a 2g eclipse intercooler and wanted to know....if hooking it up to my cold air intake and puting the air filter on the other end of of it will increase the HP any?...has it been done?....just 4 fun!!

 

I thought about this b4 just out of boredom. I concluded that it wouldnt really make a difference cuz with a turbo, the air is hot from the exhaust gases.. with a CAI the air is already cool (hence COLD air intake) so it wouldnt make a diff.

 

would it make the air even colder??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I concluded that it wouldnt really make a difference cuz with a turbo, the air is hot from the exhaust gases.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, you are right and wrong. The air is not hot from the exhaust gases (in a turbo system), the air is hot because it is compressed (not going to go in to why, ill let someone else). Using a FMIC with a non turbo car will nothing if you are using a CAI already. If you are using an under hood intake, i would suggest getting a CAI to reduce intake temps.

-Todd

 

gah, compression of anything cools it down. its hot cuz of the exhaust. damn air passes through the turbo.

 

but none of you have tryed it???....So you don't really know if it works...

 

i've never tried it but i doubt its all that effective, i can understand the turbo because its being forced in like no other so it compresses very quickly and cools, but i'd say with the i-c on the intake it'd slow down the air more than anything. if yuo've got one lying around try it.

 

an intercooler works by using ambient air(low temp), to cool compressed air(high temps). It won't work like you're describing because you can't cool ambient air by passing more ambient air over it. The effect works on turbo cars because you're using air lower than the charge air to cool it.

 

Your just cooling it to outside temp, the same thing as CAI, the air on a turbo system is hotter than outside temp due to the compression, the IC brings this hot air back down to temp.

 

What are you talkin about ambient air....ya maybe when the car is stationary...Im talkin about when the car is movin at good high speeds!!!!!!!

 

altoid said: "gah, compression of anything cools it down. its hot cuz of the exhaust. damn air passes through the turbo."

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by altoid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i've never tried it but i doubt its all that effective, i can understand the turbo because its being forced in like no other so it compresses very quickly and cools, but i'd say with the i-c on the intake it'd slow down the air more than anything. if yuo've got one lying around try it.</TD></TR></TABLE>


You are absolutely, *******, rediculously retarded. Im gonna go post this on other car forums its so great.

Compressing gases will HEAT them because the atoms have less area to move around, so they will hit eachother on a higher rate and create more friction which will heat the gas. This is simple knowledge and if you don't believe me go **** yourself and pick up any college chem textbook.

Also, intercoolers work by means of air to surface area, the more metal the air can contact the cooler the metal will be on the outside, because it is relasing its heat to atmosphere. That is why they have fins crinkled up and down in V shapes inbetween the rungs. It creates more surface area. When the air inside the intercooler touches the metal the metal is soaking the heat up from the air, the metal is then giving it to the atmosphere on the outside.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love my CRX, but times like these remind me of some of the people who drive CRX's and I'm automatically associated with, need a new car. Hmm... SR20DET 240SX.. there's some people who know what intercoolers are for.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD put the intercooler on your car take some pics too so we can see you wasted efforts. Should be good for a laugh.

 

If anything it might heat up the air by the time it transfers through

 

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ambient air passing through a heat exchanger which has air flowing around it which is ambient = ambient air = no gain.

The restriction of the internal structure would most likely reduce overall HP.

 

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Well, you are right and wrong. The air is not hot from the exhaust gases (in a turbo system), the air is hot because it is compressed (not going to go in to why, ill let someone else). Using a FMIC with a non turbo car will nothing if you are using a CAI already. If you are using an under hood intake, i would suggest getting a CAI to reduce intake temps.

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i was gonna say that.. but i knew it would start a flame war...

the intercooler is for turbo.. it will probably hurt more than gain

 

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I was actually kinda thinking this myself.

 

This would also increase throttled volume and make your throttle response worse. So no, don't do it, kay?

 

I know that it most likely not GAIN HP, But I am going to hook my turbo up soon, but want to install intercooler first. Is it possible to hook up intercooler for time being with filter on the oither end? I just want to know if i will loose performance?

 

wouldn't that pretty much be the same thing as that front mount intake? Ha, you can trick alot of people though cause it's not that fake plastic intercooler bs. Just tell them your bov is REAL quite and you don't want to push the car on the street.

 

LOL - Tell me your joking!!!! Installing an Intercooler on a non-FI car?!?!?! That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard!!!!!!

Think about what your saying. An intercooler is only going to restrict the intake of airflow... Do you even know what a DSM SMIC is? It's an Air/Air style intercooler - it uses the exact same concept as your radiator. Your radiator can only lower the temperature of the coolant to the ambient, outside temperature (but it will never even get that low). An Air/Air intercooler does the same thing, ask yourself this question: How could an intercooler lower the intake air temperature beyond that of the ambient air temp? It can't!

LOL - Sometimes you guys make me sick.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Compressing gases will HEAT them because the atoms have less area to move around, so they will hit eachother on a higher rate and create more friction which will heat the gas. This is simple knowledge and if you don't believe me go **** yourself and pick up any college chem textbook.

Also, intercoolers work by means of air to surface area, the more metal the air can contact the cooler the metal will be on the outside, because it is relasing its heat to atmosphere. That is why they have fins crinkled up and down in V shapes inbetween the rungs. It creates more surface area. When the air inside the intercooler touches the metal the metal is soaking the heat up from the air, the metal is then giving it to the atmosphere on the outside.</TD></TR></TABLE>

own3d..........

just think of it this way...if you increase the compression of a spark ignition engine you have to worry about detination....right. the detination or pre ignition occurs because the charge gets hot enough for the fuel to ignite, when its <u>compressed</u>. this creates uncontrolled ignition which somewhat makes the engine work against itself.
compression is how the diesel engine works also...the air/fuel is compressed enough to ignite.

 

also the front mount would probably heat the air up more than without it...the large surface area would cause more friction for the air. like a CAI is longer than a short ram...the CAI causes more friction loss in the pipe, but the colder/denser air more than makes up for the small loss.

not to mention the larger restriction the FMIC would present.....it be like adding another air filter.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Just Checking In &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">altoid said: "gah, compression of anything cools it down. its hot cuz of the exhaust. damn air passes through the turbo."

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You are absolutely, *******, rediculously retarded. Im gonna go post this on other car forums its so great.

Compressing gases will HEAT them because the atoms have less area to move around, so they will hit eachother on a higher rate and create more friction which will heat the gas. This is simple knowledge and if you don't believe me go **** yourself and pick up any college chem textbook.

Also, intercoolers work by means of air to surface area, the more metal the air can contact the cooler the metal will be on the outside, because it is relasing its heat to atmosphere. That is why they have fins crinkled up and down in V shapes inbetween the rungs. It creates more surface area. When the air inside the intercooler touches the metal the metal is soaking the heat up from the air, the metal is then giving it to the atmosphere on the outside.

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whoa buddy since when did compressing something heat it up? are you on crack? you go compress something tell me how that works out for you

 

if you really wanna perpatrate then look up the injen intercooler/intake.

 

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try to put your hand on the pipe going from the head of your air compressor to the storage thank, I doubt you'll keep your hand there more and 30 sec, see if eveything that is compressed is cool. it's physic, it's almost as old as earth and you won't change nothing in that. even if you want.

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