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listed to me when i say exhaust cut out, it will beat any exhaust out their in the world it will also sound like ****, but the best exhaust. My friend got a tsi and i told him to get one he didnt belive how much of a difference it was going to make but now he si in love with it.


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listed to me when i say exhaust cut out, it will beat any exhaust out their in the world it will also sound like ****, but the best exhaust. My friend got a tsi and i told him to get one he didnt belive how much of a difference it was going to make but now he si in love with it.
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how long did it take for him to kill the head?
maybe for drag racing, but in the real world, no exhaust=no reliability=**** load of tickets...........and the bigger the intercooler plumbing is, the more pressure drop you will experience and possible boost spike........boost spike=need for rebuild and pressure drop=no power cuz of too much space for the turbo to fill up with air
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listed to me when i say exhaust cut out, it will beat any exhaust out their in the world it will also sound like ****, but the best exhaust. My friend got a tsi and i told him to get one he didnt belive how much of a difference it was going to make but now he si in love with it.
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Ecutout w/ a 3" outlet owns all of the above St00pid might be selling them for a variety of manifolds depending on demand. The setup on Cheezefrog's civic is so sick


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how long did it take for him to kill the head?
maybe for drag racing, but in the real world, no exhaust=no reliability=**** load of tickets...........and the bigger the intercooler plumbing is, the more pressure drop you will experience and possible boost spike........boost spike=need for rebuild and pressure drop=no power cuz of too much space for the turbo to fill up with air
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You could not be any more wronge. First of all why would it even mess up the head? Second why is open exhaust no reliability, no back pressure is the best way to go, and with a cut out you can open it when a old lady drive by I mean u race and close it when a cop comes by. Bigger intercooler is a good mod if you have a small and people are stupid if they get a obcenly big intercooler. Boost spike are realted with wastegates not the compressor side of the turbo.

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You could not be any more wronge. First of all why would it even mess up the head? Second why is open exhaust no reliability, no back pressure is the best way to go, and with a cut out you can open it when a old lady drive by I mean u race and close it when a cop comes by. Bigger intercooler is a good mod if you have a small and people are stupid if they get a obcenly big intercooler. Boost spike are realted with wastegates not the compressor side of the turbo.

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what happens when you adjust the wastegate (if it's adjustable) to compensate for the pressure drop?....you push the limits of the wastegate, until eventually you get spike, which it only takes one good time to blow a headgasket and warp the head. open exhaust, yes it's less backpressure, but run around as a daily driver with that setup for a few months and see how your car will run.....have you seen a burnt valve?........it's not as simple as just cutting it off behind the turbo...not to mention that the header/manifold has to be tuned for this setup to get the full potential of it.........then you have backfiring to worry about.....saw a guy heat the floorboard up to the point the carpet catches fire.......carpet is rather flammable (it can catch FIRE easily ).........you're kinda right about the intercooler, but one too small will choke it, cuz if it only flows 75% of the cfm's the rest of the setup can, then you're wasting a LOT of potential power....too big and you get pressure drop and awful lag, not to mention you're wasting a LOT of power......but the fin design also makes a huge difference.....they don't all cool the air as good as the others......oh yeah....i ran a chain of auto shops for a few years....i know a little....i'm talking from experience though, not what super street said.......you should also be a grammar student


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what happens when you adjust the wastegate (if it's adjustable) to compensate for the pressure drop?....you push the limits of the wastegate, until eventually you get spike, which it only takes one good time to blow a headgasket and warp the head. open exhaust, yes it's less backpressure, but run around as a daily driver with that setup for a few months and see how your car will run.....have you seen a burnt valve?........it's not as simple as just cutting it off behind the turbo...not to mention that the header/manifold has to be tuned for this setup to get the full potential of it.........then you have backfiring to worry about.....saw a guy heat the floorboard up to the point the carpet catches fire.......carpet is rather flammable (it can catch FIRE easily ).........you're kinda right about the intercooler, but one too small will choke it, cuz if it only flows 75% of the cfm's the rest of the setup can, then you're wasting a LOT of potential power....too big and you get pressure drop and awful lag, not to mention you're wasting a LOT of power......but the fin design also makes a huge difference.....they don't all cool the air as good as the others......oh yeah....i ran a chain of auto shops for a few years....i know a little....i'm talking from experience though, not what super street said.......
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I would think the waste gate has to work less harder because it has to control less gasses because more of of them are flowing easier and faster, and less stess of the wategate, and the wastegate is conserned with the pressure between the manifold and the turbo not the turbo and the muffler.

The thing you are forgetting if their is still backpressure between the head and the turbo. A cut out is a same as a 3.5 inch exhaust just like you recommended above. I am so not getting you when you say tune the manifold for it, you can also tune it with the cutout it helps with spool up so you make power sooner. About the fire have the ehaust come out the side of behind the car or point the car cut out down. You can always close it with a flip of the swtich of off when not needed.


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I would think the waste gate has to work less harder because it has to control less gasses because more of of them are flowing easier and faster, and less stess of the wategate, and the wastegate is conserned with the pressure between the manifold and the turbo not the turbo and the muffler.

The thing you are forgetting if their is still backpressure between the head and the turbo. A cut out is a same as a 3.5 inch exhaust just like you recommended above. I am so not getting you when you say tune the manifold for it, you can also tune it with the cutout it helps with spool up so you make power sooner. About the fire have the ehaust come out the side of behind the car or point the car cut out down. You can always close it with a flip of the swtich of off when not needed.
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let's say you want to run 10psi of boost........if your intercooler is too big and the plumbing is too big, then you might only end up getting 7psi.......1psi is in the neighborhood of 8-10 hp, depends on who you talk to, but still, thats 24-30hp you're losing....so you adjust the wastegate to where you're boosting 10psi to make up for the loss....okay, not sure about all of the external wastegates, but there are different designs, but if it uses a rubber diaphragm inside, then it will wear it out......because even at rest, it's putting more stress on the diaphragm than normal....and if it starts leaking, you get spike......i've had a car that ran 18-20psi depending on where i set it, but it happened to me and spiked to around 24psi a few times.....you could hear the detonation and the valves rattling, but i fixed it and all seemed okay, until a month later when the temps were around 100 degrees everyday, the headgasket went.....one time could do it though, but any spike is bad and hurts something........as far as the open exhaust, i've tried that too....i had it turned down mid way through the car, and when i'd get on it, then let off really fast, sometimes it would backfire and scare the **** out of me and anyone else around.....but a 3-3.5" downpipe with a good 2.5-3" free flowing exhaust and good muffler will open it enough so that the .1 seconds you might gain the other way is a waste....i just got tired of extra noise and the backfiring, not to mention the fumes and hot *** floorboards....turn it whichever way you want, but heat rises, and the floors will get hotter..........it just matters what you wanna give up and put up with...i got rid of p/s and a/c on that setup too, but i don't wanna do it now..............can't afford tickets either


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let's say you want to run 10psi of boost........if your intercooler is too big and the plumbing is too big, then you might only end up getting 7psi.......1psi is in the neighborhood of 8-10 hp, depends on who you talk to, but still, thats 24-30hp you're losing....so you adjust the wastegate to where you're boosting 10psi to make up for the loss....okay, not sure about all of the external wastegates, but there are different designs, but if it uses a rubber diaphragm inside, then it will wear it out......because even at rest, it's putting more stress on the diaphragm than normal....and if it starts leaking, you get spike......i've had a car that ran 18-20psi depending on where i set it, but it happened to me and spiked to around 24psi a few times.....you could hear the detonation and the valves rattling, but i fixed it and all seemed okay, until a month later when the temps were around 100 degrees everyday, the headgasket went.....one time could do it though, but any spike is bad and hurts something........as far as the open exhaust, i've tried that too....i had it turned down mid way through the car, and when i'd get on it, then let off really fast, sometimes it would backfire and scare the **** out of me and anyone else around.....but a 3-3.5" downpipe with a good 2.5-3" free flowing exhaust and good muffler will open it enough so that the .1 seconds you might gain the other way is a waste....i just got tired of extra noise and the backfiring, not to mention the fumes and hot *** floorboards....turn it whichever way you want, but heat rises, and the floors will get hotter..........it just matters what you wanna give up and put up with...i got rid of p/s and a/c on that setup too, but i don't wanna do it now..............can't afford tickets either
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Ok if you have a big intercooler you and psi set at 10 you will still get 10 psi not 7 it will take longer but you will still get 10 psi, it will just take longer to fill up that volume. But i dont see how you are linking a cut out to a boost spike i dont see any connection between a cut out and a wastegate, I have made 5 compleatly different setups and never had a boost spike.

So give me a complete explanition of how free flowing exhaust will affect the wategate in a bad way.


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Ok if you have a big intercooler you and psi set at 10 you will still get 10 psi not 7 it will take longer but you will still get 10 psi, it will just take longer to fill up that volume. But i dont see how you are linking a cut out to a boost spike i dont see any connection between a cut out and a wastegate, I have made 5 compleatly different setups and never had a boost spike.

So give me a complete explanition of how free flowing exhaust will affect the wategate in a bad way.
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LOL thats a good answer, FYI every thing you said is wronge, and I was glad you were actually trying to have a decent argument, wronge but decent, but that went out the window. Honestly I don't even think you know what a cut out is.

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LOL thats a good answer, FYI every thing you said is wronge, and I was glad you were actually trying to have a decent argument, wronge but decent, but that went out the window. Honestly I don't even think you know what a cut out is.

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never heard the term cutout in this situation.......stupid to run without exhaust on the street, and you have no knowledge of turbos, engines, or the english language.....no way you're old enough to drive a car......you are even lacking in the common sense department.....good luck in life, cuz it's gonna be rough for you.......


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never heard the term cutout in this situation.......stupid to run without exhaust on the street, and you have no knowledge of turbos, engines, or the english language.....no way you're old enough to drive a car......you are even lacking in the common sense department.....good luck in life, cuz it's gonna be rough for you.......
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Never heard of a cut out shows how much you know. Every heard of st00pid who used these on his cars, and makes 400 hp on stock ls blocks. Dont know what contry u live in but in USA if you are 16 or older you can drive and I am 18.

About the intercooler thing if you are loosing 3 psi it is a leak not pressure drop , and thats too big of an intercooler.


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Yeah, a lot of bad info in their.

FACTS:
-open exhaust on turbo cars = the best
-open exhaust does not = head damage, that is an old V8 myth where carbuerated cars with open exhaust would run lean and hot and burn valves.
-open exhaust will increase spool time possibly causing boost spikes and/or boost creep. A well designed system will not have these problems
*How many fast guys run their race cars with an exhaust? LOL

 

thanks for that thats what i told them too but i guess i am stupid cause i am 18 and live in cali according to them.

 

You'll soon find out that 99% of people are talking out their ***. I've learned to never trust anything anybody tells me. I verify things myself. Their are so many "rules" out their that I just don't listen to. I was told I can't run 15psi on my stock exhaust without melting the engine. So I went out and ran 18 psi on my stock exhaust with no detonation. I was told thats great, but you can't be fast with a stock exhaust. SO I went out and ran 100mph on a stock exhaust, stock turbo, pump gas, otherwise stock car with more boost. My friends have stopped telling me what I can and can't do. Their are no rules man, make your own up and use your head. You can either follow the limitations people give you. Or, you can find out why those limitations are their and find a way to make it work with those limitaions.