im running a gsr right now with basic bolt ons,(apexi n1 cat-back,skunk manifold,dc 4-2-1 header), i just bought the greddy t-kit . but im debating weather to keep it and build the motor for turbo or sell it and go all motor. my motor has 83000k and burns mad oil so i have to replace a bunch of internals already, im just not sure what route to go. let me know! i want to go fast but i want my **** to last,help me out

 

Id personally choose all-motor...if that doesnt satisfy you go turbo. You have a high mileage motor -- I really feel like NA would be a better bet. Do a compression test before you do anything...see how she's feeling.

I mean, youll have a bunch of turbo guys say turbo, and a bunch of NA guys say all motor --- I love high revvin, loud ***, all motor power. It takes longer...costs more...but there is some sort of respect in having an all motor car that turbo doesnt have. I would definitely tip my hat to the turbo guy that hands me my ***...but I look forward to the days where my naturally aspirated b18c1 will keep up with the boosted boys. No...I am not going to make 300 whp on my NA gsr, but I love NA...it just feels like its raw power. I dont know how to explain it. I am 100% sure I'll go turbo on one car, one day - but for now, NA is great.

 

everyone is telling me NA would be the cheaper route, im just so confused i got basically almost $5000 in boxes in my room(turbo kit n i/c) and i want my car to be built before the summer so im not sure if i should sell the kit and start buying mad parts like high comp. pistons, rods and then move to building the head or if i should save a couple moe thousand and buy low comp. pistons and rods and build it the turbo route. its just hard to decide thats why im trying to get some advice for techs here. thanks neo1z let me know what you think and maybe where i should start

 

dude not knocking anyoneoff but i say plzz go turbo.. all motor is cool but trust me its very costly as u will have to get all ur internals done rt .. so i say go turbo...

but i also suggest that if u r going turbo ?? see to it that ur engine is in good good condition as i was gonna go turbo but my engine has more than 135k miles on it.. but my gsr i am going all motor.. i feel its kinda hard to get too much power out of that engine and then think of making it last as well... i say go turbo its faster and cheaper... u will love the power gain buddy

 

Well...ask yourself. How fast do you wanna go? I think ill be hitting 12's with my all-motor setup by the end. Ill probably be making around 225-230 whp (with luck). If you want to be faster than that -- stay turbo.

I think turbo has more reliability issues than NA -- alot of turbo guys will refute that - saying if its done right, no problems. And with that Greddy kit, you probably wont have many problems: they are great kits. But all in all, things go wrong. Same with NA - not trying to say NA is by any means fail-proof, but I think it is a bit more reliable than turbo, and probably not as trying on the motor.

NA can be cheaper or more expensive than turbo. Its nice because you can piece together NA over time - Ive been building mine for a year and a half. Turbo is a huge expenditure at one time - and I personally wouldnt run a turbo on a stock block. I am going to build my whole motor immediately whenever I might choose to do it. Also, youre going to HAVE to get a clutch here soon, or yoursll be gone.

After your build on turbo, you might be upwards of 7-8 grand. Assuming you install everything yourself. I dont have 7-8 grand to spend on my car at one time. Thats another reason I went NA. Sounds to me like you have the bank on your side. So its just a matter of choice.

Make some goals for yourself in general about your car -- not if youre turbo, or if youre NA. Just where you want the cars performance to be. How you want it to act. Then decide what would be best for you. Give us an idea of these goals and perhaps thatll give us a better idea of what might be better for you.

Most importantly, remember not to spend all of your money on your car. Some people might shun me for this - but ive been guilty of it, and youll dig a hole. I spent ridiculous amounts of money over winter on the car, and now Im digging myself out of a pretty big financial hole. So I say take your time, make sure you can afford everything (because you really are talking 7-8 grand on everything here) - and that you have a well balanced car.

lol -- how is your suspension?

 

He will have to have his internals done with the turbo too. He is talking huge amounts of money into this turbo setup...he doesnt sound like he is going to be running stock boost...ever. Also...fast and cheap shouldnt go in the same sentence. Feel free to bring up nitrous on that one (cause someone will) - but new motors cost a lot of cash And a build for nitrous is a lot of cash. And replacing burnt piston rings cost alot of cash.

The game, my friends, costs alot.

And I am not knocking you for saying turbo -- I am just seeing I think all of us need to have a better idea of what he wants from the car before we give him our opinions on how he should spend $8000.

 

he'd have to rebuild his internals to handle the boost. he said his engine burns
"mad oil"
if you can afford it..i say
resleeve block to 2.0 w/ custom pistons, rods and new seals
(this will rebuild your engine and more power w/2.0.. should cure leaks)
slap turbo kit on (you already have it)
spend rest of money on hondata or something

if you want an all motor terror, and you really have 5k of turbo parts n stuff..
sell it, buy a used all motor block that's already built, maybe si/type r tranny,
swap your engine (so there is no down time, unless you have a spare car)
and sell your old engine while the new one is put in.

cheapest route is just slap on your turbo kit, or sell turbo kit and spend it on
your engine rebuild.

 

well let me start off by saying i spent close to $7000 already on the body, im not proud of it though so i talk post anything about the body on honda-tech bc i know i will get scolded. i did rsx type r headlights 4 1/2 in flares, molded kit, molded wing, and s2000 taillights.

hopefully u guys wont hate me after hearing this about my car, i shouldve kept the body stock but its too late. it got impounded 2 weeks ago and the front end got ripped off.
i was so upset i just wanted to go fast once i got it back from the impound.
i ordered the greddy kit with intercooler, injectors, turbo timer, b/o valve and and now it sits in my room. i got the car back the other day and im just so confused what to do.
ITS NO LONGER GOING TO BE A SHOW CAR
i just want to go fast, and i mean 13s or high 12s i have a little bank set aside but not too much
now that i told you almost a life story of my integra hopefully u wont lose interest in helping me with my motor - sorry if i bored you

 

Try both.... like me.


I'm doin NA first, then switching to Boost later on. I want to try both and see what I like better. A friend of mine has a boosted GS-R, and its nice and fast... but I really like the All Motor, High Revvin, screaming Vtec.

Its personal reference.

 

"a stunna's confession, based on a true story "
jp
aye dood it's your car...personally if my front end got ripped off, that would mean
OEM JDM front end conversion time. anyways..i'd slap on the turbo w/ intercooler
just to complete that fast and furious look. yer halfway there..plus you'll be fast.
no mean to offend u...but if i did anything like that to my car...i'd have a turbo
with an intercooler blingin out the front grill

 

Why not just build both and swap them in and out? NA motor for lapping and track days. Turbo motor for drag races.

I think you should just make it easy on yourself and just go turbo. It'll match your SN.

 

lol -- I was thinking about the SN too

 

it all depends on what you want. if you want a really fast car (and want everyone to know) i'd say go turbo. boost is really fun. but if you want to be decently fast (not 12's or lower, unless you spend a lot of money, but for that price id say go turbo), and (selling point: ) remain mostly sleeperish (depending on what you do, of course), then i'd say go NA. if you go turbo its obvious that you have a turbocharger and therefore are fast (the FMIC, and the BOV and turbo spooling noise give it away). but if you are NA people dont necessarily know you are fast.. they might know you are "fast", but wont know how fast. its all up to you, and what you want. like someone said before, its just your personal preferance.


[Modified by spd18, 1:51 AM 4/7/2003]

 

how about just put in some internal work like not to shabby.. such as some CTR cams dual valves port and polish...cam gears exhaust and dotn try to bump up the compression.. justput stuf fin the motor where you can go woth ways .. so amybe at the end you wont have to sell stuff and lose money....cuz you can still do intake manifolds FPR fuel rail blah blah blah.. and still use that on your car when you go turbo.. thats the best way i would say...see if your happy with the mods with minimum spending with out having to over spend on things you might needs to sell if your not happy with the set up....get what im saying plus dont bash i didnt read all of the post
let me list a few things
FPR
cam gears
CTR/ITR cams
wires
intake manifold
PnP
valve springs / valves
lighten fly wheels
clutch
fuel rail
sparkplugs
well you get the idea


[Modified by romeo619romeo, 2:14 AM 4/7/2003]

 

I too am a fan of loud high revving b-series motors. The thought of it puts a smile on my face.

 

Can't decide whether to go turbo or Na huh. All i can say is click on this link and download the video.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=465718

 

well what i am doing is building a all motor beast this year and when i get all of my goals acomplished with it, i am going to sell the domes and get some dishes and sell the cams and just get some gsr's or something. and shoot for about 400 horse by turboing it. i already got a 2.0 sleeved block so i am ready for whatever

 

well i decided to go turbo, i bought 9:1 je pistons and rings and eagle rods today. im going to stay with the standard bore, no sleeves or nothing. im gunna go with skunk2 valves,springs, and retainers with my stock gsr cams. ill get the hondata and use the 310 injectors that came with the greddy kit and get it tuned to perfection. hopefully ill hit 13s or 12s running at 12-14psi
any suggestions from here are well apreciated. thanks for the support this website is the ****! but im still confused on how to get a pic like u guys, where mine just has a smiley face w/ trial user. how do i get rid of that, thats my only problem now.

 

plan on doing much circuit work??

if you do i'd say stick with na. every turboed honda i've seen at the track so far has had cooling trouble in the summer. which kinda sux. the setups all seemed to be okay though, no reliability issues, i guess they just can't handle the sustained abuse which they get on a hot day at the track.

 

one thing that everyone does to their cars is when they get it they start bolting on parts like intake, exhaust, and a header. then after that, or before that (performance wise) springs and suspension mods. most people including myself spend all this money on their cars to produce more HP without having a goal. Daily driver, streetcar, trackcar, or juss a better performance vehicle. after spending around 6k on my car i finally realized my goal. i want a 12 sec, quick reliable daily driver street car. i want my car faster, but not necessarily the fastest. and i want it reliable enough to take me places without braking down after a street stoplight confrontation.

so.... turbo or all motor? i say first have a goal set for yourself then decide what u want before you end up blowing something major then realize that it's not worth it to put that much $$$ into your ride.... good luck with your decision