How come so many people look away from this swap?? yes it is heavier than a b16, a whole 75 pounds, but its more directed towards the fire wall, so its not a big difference. How are the gears, long? short? how does it compare to a b18c5? the h22 has more hp and torque, so why isnt it more sought after than the c5??

 

anything?

 

cuz there skeered

Please don't bring this up AGAIN!!!

 

going
i think it's a valid question

my awenser would be lot's of money up front involved.

if anyone knows of a good c5 vs. h22 thread please let me know


[Modified by shepworldwide, 12:47 PM 4/2/2003]

 

this is what i wanted to see, c5 vs. h22, why do many pic the c5 over the h22

 

I belive the c5 ( b series ) have a better bore/stroke ratio...

I cont rembe the exact reasons.. someone will post them.. but its something to do with rod lengths ect... and ratio... ask Satan Srv.. he will know... he is in the prelude forum alot.

 

The H22 has a better b/s ratio, and both the B18C5 and H22 have 1.58:1 r/s ratios. The main argument would probably stem from the B18 more easily fitting into the engine bay and having a bigger "cool" factor.

 

the h22 gearing is just fine; in an ef they scream! someone here in atx just got one done recently from what i heard. if i had teh $$ right now i'd have one.

 

i hear its hard as crap to put the h22 in a ef because you have to cut and weld where the mounts go , but i want more info on this argument

 

Well there are about 10 at least topics in the archive, all were locked they were so long and ugly...

Best bang for the buck H22, best bling bling, C5. I don't get the up front cash for the H22 comment. $2k vs 5k give or take. On average $1200-1500 to drop an H22. C5 needs mounts, depending on the car, H22 still cheaper. And for the same cost of the C5 you can get some bolt ons for the H22.

Call Hasport and Place Racing and see what all is involved in the swap to a 91. PR makes a mount kit, axles, linkage, rad, blabla. C5 will swap easier than the H22.

Its up to you, i think the H22 is a stonger motor, and also think the C5 is a better built motor. Both will cause some handling problems in the EF, more with the H22 but with the right setup it can be easily controlled.

 

cable shifter
can't shift well in high rpms
lack of aftermarket parts
egr valve
balancer shafts
weight
hard to work on
i've never seen one make more power than a bseries
custom mounting required
axle problems

hope that helps

 

Sometimes i feel as if people have forgotten that reason this forum exist! It isnt called Honda-comments.com and thats for a g** Damn Reason!!!!!!!!


Now, hey dude w/ the ORIGINAL question, people shy away from the h22a because of over and understeer or in other words it supposedly good in a line but not bobbing and weaving! I personally drive a prelude (H22a1) and that ***** ***** is a god damn BEAST! Ive ridden Ls/vtec and GS-R and all that ****, andthe h22a1 is a step above and beyond except for balancing problems and the fact that a B18c5 is trthfully bling blingin'! To Each His Own! search, learn, act, command, conquer, then go out for some beer!

 

gears are very short. you need to go with a accord 94-97 5th gear if you do highway driving. im rolln at 4200 at 70 mph on my stock h22a tranny

 

because its a difficult mount, and more engineering to get it in...Bseries is drop in

 

Then you must need some larger tires. Because in a Prelude, the H22 cruises 80 mph @ 4000 RPM. 70 would be 3500 RPM in 5th.

 

search is gone so eat a ...

 

why did u write this? do u have a h22 civic? any feedback?

 

one of the main reasons i went H series over B series is that its simply a bigger, more ballsy motor.

and i plan to out HP many bseries motors.

only thing is i've spent a shitload of money so far, and i'm not done.

 

cable shifter
can't shift well in high rpms
lack of aftermarket parts
egr valve
balancer shafts
weight
hard to work on
i've never seen one make more power than a bseries
custom mounting required
axle problems
hope that helps


excellent points.

and i think the best point is honda engineers never designed an h22a to bolt into a civic. therefore, you're going against some of the smartest people in the world. honda engineers know what they're doing, they are ******* brilliant...they are the reason our cars are so badass. i'm not saying an h22a can't go in without problems...as a friend of mine has gone 11.6's with a sc'd 5th gen hatch, and goes 12.8's regularly in his h22a crx...however the cars don't handle as well and aren't as good all around cars. yes, in a straight line an h22a will be faster most of the time...however i don't think the sacrifice is worth the extra 5tenths.

 

OK,now why can't anyone shift well at high rpms with a cable shifter???I seriously have no problems with mine.....Maybe its just the driver.Its tru that not very many h motors make more than the DYNO PROVEN b motors....But a horsepower number figure is only a steady state number and has not much relevance on how well an engine accelerates.Torque is what really makes a car fast.And i have yet to see a b series make more all motor torque than a h motor.The egr valve is not really considered a big obstacle to get around. The balancer shafts are not a big deal,just remove the balancer shaft belt....done.It is very tru that honda didnt engineer the motor for the civic chassis......So its just a little bit of a challenge to get it in,and it has been done many times already.I hear about axle problems all the time with both h and b seriesmotors.But i hear most commonly with b series motors is trannys going out.Id rather replace an axle any day then replace a new tranny......
Its been proven over the years that there is "no replacement for displacement".Many in the domestic era have proved it.Chevys built with 350 small blocks were eventually replaced with the 450 big block by the owners seeking more power.those cars didnt come from the factory with a 450 big block.....but they seem to fit it in one way or another.


[Modified by aeolus, 6:31 AM 4/3/2003]


[Modified by aeolus, 6:40 AM 4/3/2003]

 

h22 is 200hp, 161tq, the b16 is 160hp and 1xxtq. The h23 is non vtec 2.3 and only puts out around 140 hp though, but the h22 is rated higher than any b series.

 

Thats 160 hp at 111ft/lbs for the b16.The h23 actually has 160 hp at 158ft/lbs

 

Now you have...

 

Ive seen that one before,one of the very few.Of course ,i am willing to bet that it won't last very long either.


[Modified by aeolus, 1:36 AM 4/4/2003]

 

remember b18c5's h22 vs c5 thread?
the h22 had better times, but if i remember tom had some tech issues?

they both had cx's and pretty much stock swaps
i know this really doesnt prove much

about the last post, why wouldnt his setup last much longer?
stupid

h22 > b18c5
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