Hondata Flash for the Si
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Hondata Flash for the Si
This topic was hotly debated just a month or two back, but I haven't been able to procure much information about it since then. I have noticed the same trend on ephatch.com...
I am thinking of getting the flash, but I want to make sure that all the issues have been worked out. Are people getting good dyno #s with boltons and the flash? Are people getting good numbers with just the flash? I have read the few threads on ephatch where Az02Si put down 146whp with just the flash, and the problems/issues that myeverlovinsir, and JSIR had, but that is only THREE people.
Any more test mules care to voice their views? I dont' want to get the flash and then have it suck.
I am thinking of getting the flash, but I want to make sure that all the issues have been worked out. Are people getting good dyno #s with boltons and the flash? Are people getting good numbers with just the flash? I have read the few threads on ephatch where Az02Si put down 146whp with just the flash, and the problems/issues that myeverlovinsir, and JSIR had, but that is only THREE people.
Any more test mules care to voice their views? I dont' want to get the flash and then have it suck.
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Re: Hondata Flash for the Si (anjapower)
Flash works fine. The 7800rpm redline is great, and the midrange torque and part-throttle response is far better than stock.
I have no detonation because hondata redid the program and took a few degrees of timing out on the top end (Plus I get 94 octane inthe midwest). I have not dynoed because frankly I don't want to waste $50-$75 for every mod I make.
I have no detonation because hondata redid the program and took a few degrees of timing out on the top end (Plus I get 94 octane inthe midwest). I have not dynoed because frankly I don't want to waste $50-$75 for every mod I make.
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Re: Hondata Flash for the Si (anjapower)
This topic was hotly debated just a month or two back, but I haven't been able to procure much information about it since then. I have noticed the same trend on ephatch.com...
I am thinking of getting the flash, but I want to make sure that all the issues have been worked out. Are people getting good dyno #s with boltons and the flash? Are people getting good numbers with just the flash? I have read the few threads on ephatch where Az02Si put down 146whp with just the flash, and the problems/issues that myeverlovinsir, and JSIR had, but that is only THREE people.
Any more test mules care to voice their views? I dont' want to get the flash and then have it suck.
I am thinking of getting the flash, but I want to make sure that all the issues have been worked out. Are people getting good dyno #s with boltons and the flash? Are people getting good numbers with just the flash? I have read the few threads on ephatch where Az02Si put down 146whp with just the flash, and the problems/issues that myeverlovinsir, and JSIR had, but that is only THREE people.
Any more test mules care to voice their views? I dont' want to get the flash and then have it suck.
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Re: Hondata Flash for the Si (ep3minivan)
Todd00 and ep3 minivan, I have only 3k miles on my motor, do you think my engine/tranny are broken in enough for the additional stress put on by the flash? And I thought that it was a 7700 rpm rev limit? How is the top-end power? Finally, do u think I should wait till this new program you mention is out?
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Re: Hondata Flash for the Si (anjapower)
I have a question about warranty? Hondata says it should not affect warranty, but they caution that there's the possibility that the dealer won't cover it. What's your experience with the dealers?
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Will this affect the warranty?
It should not.
Federal law sets forth requirements for warranties and contains a number of provisions to prevent vehicle manufacturers, dealers and others from unjustly denying warranty coverage. With regard to aftermarket parts, the gist of the law is that warranty coverage cannot be denied simply because such parts are present on the vehicle, or have been used. (see Federal Warranty Laws for details). The warranty coverage can be denied only if the aftermarket part caused the malfunction or damage for which warranty coverage is sought.
If a dealership denies warranty coverage (more details here) , they should be willing to do so in writing. Have the dealer describe the failure which is causing your problem AND how the dealer believes the aftermarket product installed is responsible for the problem. Keep an accurate log of all contacts and correspondence in addressing the warranty denial. Hondata will provide any technical information the dealership requires.
With any increase in rev limit there is an increased risk of valve damage. To minimize your risk use the Hondata program with the stock rev limit. All reports of valve damage we have heard have been as a result of mis-shift. The Type S valve springs are good. We have tested a Type S with an 8900 rev limit in a press test vehicle for several months with no problems.
It should not.
Federal law sets forth requirements for warranties and contains a number of provisions to prevent vehicle manufacturers, dealers and others from unjustly denying warranty coverage. With regard to aftermarket parts, the gist of the law is that warranty coverage cannot be denied simply because such parts are present on the vehicle, or have been used. (see Federal Warranty Laws for details). The warranty coverage can be denied only if the aftermarket part caused the malfunction or damage for which warranty coverage is sought.
If a dealership denies warranty coverage (more details here) , they should be willing to do so in writing. Have the dealer describe the failure which is causing your problem AND how the dealer believes the aftermarket product installed is responsible for the problem. Keep an accurate log of all contacts and correspondence in addressing the warranty denial. Hondata will provide any technical information the dealership requires.
With any increase in rev limit there is an increased risk of valve damage. To minimize your risk use the Hondata program with the stock rev limit. All reports of valve damage we have heard have been as a result of mis-shift. The Type S valve springs are good. We have tested a Type S with an 8900 rev limit in a press test vehicle for several months with no problems.
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Re: Hondata Flash for the Si (T_Rex)
I don't know exactly what will happen to the warranty, but I am assuming that the dealership can only deny performing warranty work (on the engine) if they determine that the problem which you are trying to address was caused by excessive revs.
So if you're driving along with your Hondata flash, and all of a sudden you blow your headgasket, dealership should perform warranty work on your engine. But if you're driving along, and accidentally shift to 2nd from 7700RPM in 3rd, and retard your engine, the dealership can void your warranty...
So if you're driving along with your Hondata flash, and all of a sudden you blow your headgasket, dealership should perform warranty work on your engine. But if you're driving along, and accidentally shift to 2nd from 7700RPM in 3rd, and retard your engine, the dealership can void your warranty...
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Re: Hondata Flash for the Si (anjapower)
I can tell you right now, if ANYTHING physically goes wrong with your powertrain, Honda WILL deny you warranty service if you have this flash. Because it DOES put added stress on your engine, without a doubt. That's a risk you have to be willing to take.
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I can tell you right now, if ANYTHING physically goes wrong with your powertrain, Honda WILL deny you warranty service if you have this flash. Because it DOES put added stress on your engine, without a doubt. That's a risk you have to be willing to take.
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Re: Hondata Flash for the Si (anjapower)
Yep 146/a hair over 130 tq on a STOCK a3......Not to shabby really.Part throttle it WAY better and the motor really likes to stretch its legs.Ive had the flash since before it was released,and the car runs great as of now,aven seeing 8k a few times(dyno showed my fuel cut to be at 8Kish)I have a feeling with bolt ons,ill have a high 14 sec car with ease,considering it traps at 90 right now more or less.....I just cannot decide if i REALLY want to sell the EP 
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Re: Hondata Flash for the Si (anjapower)
You guys worry too damn much. If you are scared of an aftermarket mod don't get it. Personally, the A2, from all that I have seen, can easily take the 7800rpm redline the hondata flash allows.
And, it's not like you have to live at 7000rpms +. Just don't drive up there. The extra midrange torque is where you'll be anyways. Or, ask hondata if they can do the flash and leave the revlimiter where it is.
I find it amazing that people worry about an ecu flash, yet they are eager to bolt Nawz and forced iunduction on their car.
And, it's not like you have to live at 7000rpms +. Just don't drive up there. The extra midrange torque is where you'll be anyways. Or, ask hondata if they can do the flash and leave the revlimiter where it is.
I find it amazing that people worry about an ecu flash, yet they are eager to bolt Nawz and forced iunduction on their car.
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Re: Hondata Flash for the Si (Todd00)
You guys worry too damn much. If you are scared of an aftermarket mod don't get it. Personally, the A2, from all that I have seen, can easily take the 7800rpm redline the hondata flash allows.
I find it amazing that people worry about an ecu flash, yet they are eager to bolt Nawz and forced iunduction on their car.
I find it amazing that people worry about an ecu flash, yet they are eager to bolt Nawz and forced iunduction on their car.
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oops, yeah--the Si motor and not the RSX-S.
However, I wasn't directing the post toward you. I just happened to hit reply on your thread. I just see people worried about the hondata flash for no apparant reason.
However, I wasn't directing the post toward you. I just happened to hit reply on your thread. I just see people worried about the hondata flash for no apparant reason.
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Re: Hondata Flash for the Si (Todd00)
Only reason i'd be worried is if my car had a detonation problem with the flash. People HAVE had this problem though it's supposedly been fixed. I'm not getting it for the simple fact that i'm going turbo, but even if i weren't i'd still wait a little while longer to see if all the bugs were, infact, worked out. I don't have a problem with Hondata at all but its tough for me to have faith in a company that would release a flash w/o testing it extensively, but that's just me.
And whether or not someone is "scared" to do this mod is their business, I was just letting them know that I can almost guarantee any Honda dealership would not honor a powertrain warranty if, say, you blew your motor while on the flash. And they will detect the flash as soon as they hook up diagnostics.
And whether or not someone is "scared" to do this mod is their business, I was just letting them know that I can almost guarantee any Honda dealership would not honor a powertrain warranty if, say, you blew your motor while on the flash. And they will detect the flash as soon as they hook up diagnostics.
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