and boy was that sticker price a wee bit too high for a honda! yes yes its me again, the creator of the famous sl55 vs nsx thread, we all know who won that battle, thank you, but anywho...went to pasadena acura dealership, they had a 2003 yellow nsx for 89,000!!! wow $89,000 on a honda/acura????? throw me a freakin BONE here. dont get me wrong, real nice looking car, especially the short boot shifter, but 90 grand????? i can buy a carrera4s with that!! you know what was so funny to me? Every car that there is a small # of production, doesnt matter if its a hyundai or a ferrari, there is always a mark up, ORRR if the car just came out, what was so funny is that the NSX doesnt even have a markup!!! whys that? dealers know its overpriced? lol i bet so, ....even the new civic si's had a markup when they came out, and nsx's dont?? lol amazing! i asked the sales guy how fast thing this is he said high 11s, low 12s...i was about to hit this guy in the face, he busted out his road and track with confidence hes right, and read it hits a 13.4! 90 grand and u get a 13.4 car, and its a honda? lol ill pass

 

I agree with you...but if i had the money, i would buy a Porsche myself..but none the less..it is a very nice car...

 

Do you pay full MSRP for every car you buy??? I would think not. An '02 and '03 NSX can be had for around the $75K-$77K range which is slightly above their cost. Dealers get a holdback from Honda when they sell the car. I've seen several '02 and '03 NSXs listed for under $79K. You just have to know where to look and how to deal.

Another thing to note is that the NSX is NOT A DRAG CAR!! It excels at the race track and is great for carving corners. I just saw a Best Motoring supercar battle on video. In one particular race, we have a 3.2 liter V-6 NSX-R and 6.2 liter V-12 Murcielago. Both drivers were pros and driving the cars to the limit. On the straights, the Murcielago caught up before the twisties. In the twisties, the NSX-R just romped on the Murcie. Didn't have a prayer of catching it and passing unless there was straight track ahead. I'd take the NSX-R over a Murcielago any day. Driving fast in a straight line is BORING. Carving corners is where it all is and the NSX is king.

No Curves, No Challenge
Any idiot can drive fast in a straight line...

 

Great, now stop whining about it.

 

 

...what do you drive? And what credentials, other than your opinion, allow you make that assesment? Are you a pro-driver who's driven/tested/and helped engineer any of the cars you mentioned? Are you an economist? An accountant? A financial advisor? Because, dear friend, opinions are like ********, and some is playing pin the *** on the donkey with yours. Nest, pas?


[Modified by bb6h22a, 8:43 PM 3/14/2003]

 

He drives an old, beat-to-crap GTI.

 

 

ya i drive a gti, so what? i dont praise the damn car, its pretty quick, gets me to my places...and even if u can find an nsx for 80 grand, its still a waste, ur buying the nsx to go handle? go buy a porsche

 

oh man. shut up. seriously, go ***** elsewhere.

i'd shell out the money for the NSX-R

 

 

Well, he convinced me not to get one. His opinion and evaluation are held in the highest regard being a GTI owner and everything. Its priced that way to keep idiots like yourself from ever owning one.

 

Yes, NSX is pure crap, not suitable for racing.

 

...do you speak/read japanse, i.e. kanji? If nott, then you'd have to admit a loss in the translation; further, history disagrees with you, i.e. use of the NSX in JGTC, European Enudrance racing, and the GT2 project that ran at the 24 hours of Le Mans, and, locally, the PD Cunningham/Realtime Racing NSX that has been very succesful in the ALMS for some time. The list goes on, and on, and on...

 

I've never seen someone use the pic. Congrats. Nicely said, too.
I think that the NSX is worth that... Ferrari looks and performance at half the price... Some people are so close-minded tho that they won't even rethink any of their opinions...

 

It amazes me how some people have a firm opinion of cars without even driving them!!! Without driving the cars and evaluating them, opinions are absolutely worthless because there's nothing to back them up.

I've DRIVEN many NSXs and several Porsches. From a handling standpoint, I prefer the NSX. This doesn't imply that the Porsche sucks. It doesn't. It's a great handling car. For me, the NSX appeals more to me and is much more reliable than the Porsche. I've owned mine for nearly six years and it has been trouble free. I love the balance of the car in the twisties. It's what makes ME happy. You buy a sports car that makes YOU happy, not based solely on what someone else says.


[Modified by laseca, 2:12 AM 3/16/2003]

 

the english translation is wrong
the chinese translation says nsx is not suitable in gymkhana racing

 

I agree with you but here in US almost nobody talk about lap time at the track....only 13.xx or 12.xx second. And I doubt the creator of this thread ever drive a car on the track (those with turns)

 

OGM! shut the F up! If you cant afford it, just shut up.


[Modified by M-Type, 2:57 AM 3/16/2003]

 

Took the words right out of my mouth

 

Good thing you guys banned this loser before he can make any other unnecessary comments.


[Modified by 8400 rpm, 4:39 AM 3/16/2003]

 

He was banned in the earlier topic (since deleted) for excessive flames including excessive use of profanity.

 

VW=Lemon

 

i second that and want to add "Junk" to it.

 

Funny you should mention that today, because the following two articles appeared in today's newspaper:

<U>From http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/16/au...es/16VOLK.html</u>

A Sputtering VW Aims Higher
By MARK LANDLER

FRANKFURT - JENS NEUMANN knows how quickly a car company can total its image. He was the chief lawyer for Audi, the sporty German manufacturer, in the mid-1980's, when owners of the Audi 5000 began reporting that their cars sometimes accelerated without warning, with deadly consequences for those unlucky enough to be in the vehicle's path.

Audi's owner, Volkswagen, blamed drivers for confusing the brake and accelerator pedals. That claim was later backed up by an American government study, but the clumsy, insensitive manner in which Volkswagen handled the episode alienated nearly a generation of car buyers.

Last month, Mr. Neumann, 57, found himself back in the soup — scrambling to prevent a relatively minor technical defect from ballooning into a major public relations blunder for Volkswagen.

This time, it was faulty ignition coils in the engines of many Volkswagen and Audi models produced in 2001, 2002 and early this year. The complaint about Volkswagen was much the same: that it refused to acknowledge a problem until clubbed into it by irate customers and embarrassing news reports.

"I know what it is like to lose the confidence of customers," said Mr. Neumann, who now oversees strategy and North American operations for Volkswagen. "We won't let that happen again."

Mr. Neumann said that by midyear, Volkswagen would have enough new coils to replace those in any car potentially affected by the problem. In the meantime, Volkswagen of America has written to the owners of about 530,000 cars, offering to replace any defective coils.

For Volkswagen, Europe's largest carmaker, it was a tough start to what promises to be a brutal year. Last week, Volkswagen issued a profit warning that caught some analysts by surprise — less for its timing, given the well-publicized troubles in the company's home market, than for the depth of its gloom.

"Due to profound changes and considerable uncertainty in the economic and political framework," the chief executive, Bernd Pischetsrieder, said, Volkswagen's first-quarter profit will be significantly lower than that of last year. Full-year profit is also likely to fall short of that for 2002.

To some extent, Volkswagen is simply reflecting the malaise in the global auto industry. From the economic shocks in Brazil and Argentina to the stagnation in Germany to the worldwide fear of war in Iraq, there are few places on the map that an auto executive can look for comfort.

Volkswagen, however, has problems all its own, ranging from an aging product lineup to its vulnerability to the rising euro, which increases the prices of its cars overseas. It is also embarking on a bold, risky and expensive campaign to lift its proletarian brand name — Volkswagen translates as the "people's car" — into the luxury market.

At the very moment that consumers are squeamish about spending, Volkswagen is rolling out a $40,000 sport utility vehicle, the Touareg, and a majestic sedan, the Phaeton, which starts in Europe at $55,000 and is likely to sell in the United States at $60,000 to $75,000.

With dreams of challenging Mercedes-Benz and BMW, the last thing VW needs is the ignition-coil problem, even if it is unrelated to safety. The trouble is, Volkswagen faces a growing perception on both sides of the Atlantic that its once-vaunted quality standards have slipped.

While American drivers have been fuming about faulty ignition coils, which cause their engines to lose power, the drivers of some Volkswagen subcompacts in Europe have had a problem in which ice blocks an engine hose, causing breakdowns.

Volkswagen now has only one model, t