What would be the plus and minuses of each? FI is more costly (for a good buildup) and requires a lot of maintence... NA I am not aware of many problems, but I don't know too much about it

what would you guys say is more reliable for daily driving? I just read a post on the forced induction forum and people are only gettin sub 30k miles on their FI setups!

 

NA is more costly than FI, hp to hp.

I would also say that an NA setup that even comes close to the power output of a basic FI setup would last much less time. You need to increase rpms to make good power NA, and stresses rise as a squared function of rpms. Look at all the **** Honda deemed necessary to change just for 400 extra rpms in a Type R engine.

 

well power isn't too much of an issue, I understand that hp to hp turbo is the way to go (cost wise)

but my question remains unanswered, this is daily driving/highway driving - but I want the power to drag seldomly, but to get me every where I need to go...

I was looking to make a d16a6 NA setup high - mid 14's maybe...

edit: so your saying it really all depends on the amount of power that the NA setup is pushing? so boosted 200 hp vs NA 200 hp would be equal? (over time, which would give more engine wear, given they were treated very well)


[Modified by SteveeeO, 8:41 PM 2/18/2003]

 

 

if u have a 250 HP FI d16 and a 250 HP NA D16 the d16 will not last very long. you will be stringing out the revs and blowing the motor into chunks in no time.

it would be more reliable as a daily driver to get the turbo set up. if when u r at the track or about to roll on the streets you can always get a boost controller and up the boost. and when u r going to work drop the boost to like 3-5 pounds. relatively little boost and little stress. the NA set up you cant turn down. high compression means high revs and high octane fuel. run lower octane and you get knock and detonation and eventually explosion.

 

well put it this way....
US Honda vehicles do not come from the factory w/ 'turbo' equipped engines, so they're not exactly built with a turbo mentality from the factory. They're made as NA engines from the factory; that should be an obvious hint right there if you speak of reliablity.

building up engine-wise, FI vs NA, you're going to spend a lot more money going FI vs. staying NA; such as dropping the compression ratio of your engine ie. changing the pistons so you can UP the boost (block dissasembly), buying a complete turbo system; buying all the electrical gadgets to monitor just about everything on your engine; etc. etc......it all adds up. NA is not going to cost you as much, but, the downside of going NA is that you won't be making as much power as you would if you turbo charged.

But if you're looking for reliablity NA is the way to go. Turbo is great too, but you need to do a bunch more things to make it all work and last long.

the ultimate choice is up to you.

I personally have stuck with an NA setup ever since I got involved with Honda's and enjoy the reliability of the B-series honda engine. I have to admit though, driving a turbo equipped civic w/B16 is pretty fun too.



[Modified by Katman, 6:00 PM 2/18/2003]

 

For a cheap halfass FI setup...it may be cheaper. But if you want decent stuff, it will cost more.

If you have a d16, and aren't planning a swap then I wouldn't look into NA. There is alot less available for a NA d series engine, then a b series engine.

You can make one plenty fast FI though.

I went FI, because I love the torque and the speed potential, the sounds are awesome...basicly I love everthing about turbos.

In an ideal world though I would have both a FI and NA civic.

 

Well I rather choose N/A for a number of reasons.

An all motor setup would be more reliable, and you get props especially if you beat a turboed car.

There is more maintanance with a turboed car, but not much more.

I'm not a hardcore racer guy so it doesn't matter if my car runs 10's on drag radials.

Turbo cost more if you're going all out(building block etc etc).

Plus if you're making like freaking 500hp on your turboed car, it will be hard as heck to get traction(more money). There are a few people with high hp cars that can't get traction even with drag radials.

I dont feel like going on, my post sucked anyway but still, I'm tired and who cares. You said you want something just a little fast and reliable? I dont know what car you have but just go wiht a B-series swap with bolt ons and you'll be happy.

Hope that helped.