which to go with? the falkens were good enough for many trophies at nats., but could there be more speed with the bfg's? especially with running the tire stagger? of course, i'm not even sure that the 225's will fit up front on the civic, so that is holding me back too. i also wonder if the change in gearing will negate the grip improvements. arg, if only it weren't so much money...

so i'm tossing this out to see what kind of feedback you guys have. lay it on.

nate-who will enjoy a debate that isn't arguing about the rules...

 

i've always thought about 225's all around but i'm not sure in our low hp cars that the tire circumfrance/weight would slow us down. I think on my car (00si) i'd have to raise it up to fit them though.

edit: maybe if bfg would make 225/45/15 they could sell a lot of them because then there would be no worry about the extra circumfrance and could fit them more easily.


[Modified by ryan12321, 4:52 PM 2/18/2003]

 

Dude, I'm only going to reply on one internet forum

FWIW, I'm sticking with 205's all the way around. I did the research, like you are doing now, and I still think the 205 azenis is the way to go with the choices we have.

Perhaps you thought your car was maxxed out last year at nats, but I know I still have a lot of work to do, in both driver and car prep.

 

i thought about doin' the 225/205 stagger, but then i looked at the price difference and thought about whether or not i felt that me, as a driver, was at a point where that minute change would make a difference....and the answer is no. i have miles of room for improvement to be done on me and my car, but the car is getting close to where it needs to be....now to work on me.

OT, my final piece of suspension upgrade will be here sometime next week, then it can all go on!

 

Hmmm....What about 225 BFG's in the front and 205 Falken's in the rear...?

For the Integra I originally planned to go with 225 BFG KD's all around but I don't think the price is justified when I can get Falken Azenis for so much less.... If price isnt a concern then I would say go to the BFG KD's.

Vracer111, who loves the 225/55-16 BFGoodrich KDW's on his Tacoma and plans on upgrading to 245/50-16 KDW's when they wear out.

 

Realize that 225/50/15 BFG KD's aren't really any wider than the 205/50/15 azenis when both tires are put on over 7" rims.

Food for thought.

 

I have been running the staggered 225f/205r (S-03) setup in my Prelude for over a year. I did this to get the car rotate better, but I actually sacrified grip for handling. This year, I have bigger rear swaybar, stiffer rear springs, and a little stiffer rear shocks, I'll go back to 225 all around. But my dilemma is which 225 should I use? I like the 225/45/16 S-03 because it doesn't hurt my gearing. None of the other tires (KD, Azenis, and MX) have this size, the closest would be 225/50/16 (KD and MX only) which is about 1" taller in O.D. I don't know if the better grip will overcome the gearing due to the taller tires.

Arh...my head hurts just thinking about this.

 

Well, alot of the front drive EP cars run 20x9.5 in front, 20x8 in back. (slicks)
And different compounds, like R35fr R25rr.
It's about getting the rear tires warmer, increasing ultimate grip.

Some of the JDM road racers run staggered set-ups. Maybe thats how they work the stiffer front?

 

Actually, i think Azenis comes in a 215-45-16 which should work ok for you, nah?



[Modified by jsi, 8:52 PM 2/18/2003]

 

not a problem. i wanted to get a track driver's impression too, thus this forum...
this is definitely true. i'm starting the season on last years tires, both to quantify the shock change and to see if i need more tire. open diff+aggressive driver+front stiff setup=well, i'm not sure. i have more power for this year. the power boost came right around the same time i tried higher rear spring rates and developed an inside tire spin problem. so maybe the spinning was caused by the added power? if so, i'll be looking into a slightly wider tire.

i was also looking at the bfg money, but art has informed me that bfg isn't doing this for at least the street tires for next year. is hankook still giving money away?

nate-who really wishes the snow would go away so he can work on his kaa and stop thinking of unnecessary ways to spend lots of money.

 

why 225's all around? with 100% of the inside rear tires weight on the outside rear tire, the 205's have plenty of grip, almost too much grip, to keep the rear in line. (thus i run 1/16" rear toe out) you can only transfer so much weight onto the outside rear before there is no more weight to transfer. why increase your grip level at this stage? i've always thought everyone wanted to run equal size tires so that they could rotate them, not because they needed more rear grip.

maybe i still don't understand the advantage to increasing rear roll stiffness percentage beyond the point needed to transfer 100% of the inside rear tires weight. yeah, some is good, but is more always better?

nate