WTF is this? Regarding EP...
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Re: WTF is this? Regarding EP... (GoodKnight)
i saw it on motorweek or motor trend, they say it has a greddy turbo kit and the kit is factory from the factory. i think thats what that dude said. someone confirm please?
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Re: WTF is this? Regarding EP... (George Knighton)
i saw it on motorweek or motor trend, they say it has a greddy turbo kit and the kit is factory from the factory. i think thats what that dude said. someone confirm please?
The factory CTR kit doesn't have that big hole under the bumper. It doesn't have wheel well extensions. And that rear wing is too big.
LOL...
Whatever it is, it's not Honda.
The factory CTR kit doesn't have that big hole under the bumper. It doesn't have wheel well extensions. And that rear wing is too big.
LOL...
Whatever it is, it's not Honda.
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Re: WTF is this? Regarding EP... (txhatch)
yup, he's right. its a factory honda one-off show car. HONDA IS F-ING RETARDED. they can make a crazy showcar like that, all turboed out and body kitted up, trying to entice us americans with what can be done to a Si and to show us the si has potential. WHY NOT JUST SEND US THE DAMN TYPER???
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Re: WTF is this? Regarding EP... (23psi4age)
...they can make a crazy showcar like that, all turboed out and body kitted up, trying to entice us americans with what can be done to a Si and to show us the si has potential. WHY NOT JUST SEND US THE DAMN TYPER???
Honda already has the Insight, Civic Hybrid and S2000 loss-leaders (cars that they don't make profit-per-car on), and the price points needed to make the CTR profitable aren't going to appeal to the consumer classes I listed above. I also think that Honda feels that whatever sales the CTR *would* generate, would take sales away from the Acura RSX Type S. I think Honda feels there is only so many NA buyers for a Honda-produced vehicle of that type, at that price. And the only distinguishing features between the two would be the body style.
"We" (honda-tech.com patrons, Civic HB fans, etc.) might be willing to pay the $23k+ price tag it would take to make the car profitable, but how many are "we" compared to total Civic sales? They've already discovered that relatively few were willing to pay $19k for the Si. And that lukewarem (dismal?) reception was not because the Si's not worth $19k, its because the NA market *perceives* its not worth $19k, because its an "obvious" hatchback. The NA market has traditionally equated hatchbacks as vehicles that the the upper-lower class and lower-middle-class buy. Yeah, the RSX is a hatch also, but quite secondary to its being a "sports coupe", and an "Acura". Based what I feel is the above reasoning, and the need to put multi-$k incentives in place to just move the Si, I can't say that I blame them for not bringing over the CTR.
But I sure *wish* they would!
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Re: WTF is this? Regarding EP... (wakaru)
...they can make a crazy showcar like that, all turboed out and body kitted up, trying to entice us americans with what can be done to a Si and to show us the si has potential. WHY NOT JUST SEND US THE DAMN TYPER???
Its relatively cheap to build a showcar, in the hopes that people will see what they *can* do to a relatively cheap car. Unlike their domestic and European markets, I think Honda feels that North America continues to perceive Honda as a maker of cars that appeal only to the upper-lower class, lower-middle-class, middle-class and upper-middle-class. I think that's where Honda feels the Civic's market is.
Honda already has the Insight, Civic Hybrid and S2000 loss-leaders (cars that they don't make profit-per-car on), and the price points needed to make the CTR profitable aren't going to appeal to the consumer classes I listed above. I also think that Honda feels that whatever sales the CTR *would* generate, would take sales away from the Acura RSX Type S. I think Honda feels there is only so many NA buyers for a Honda-produced vehicle of that type, at that price. And the only distinguishing features between the two would be the body style.
"We" (honda-tech.com patrons, Civic HB fans, etc.) might be willing to pay the $23k+ price tag it would take to make the car profitable, but how many are "we" compared to total Civic sales? They've already discovered that relatively few were willing to pay $19k for the Si. And that lukewarem (dismal?) reception was not because the Si's not worth $19k, its because the NA market *perceives* its not worth $19k, because its an "obvious" hatchback. The NA market has traditionally equated hatchbacks as vehicles that the the upper-lower class and lower-middle-class buy. Yeah, the RSX is a hatch also, but quite secondary to its being a "sports coupe", and an "Acura". Based what I feel is the above reasoning, and the need to put multi-$k incentives in place to just move the Si, I can't say that I blame them for not bringing over the CTR.
But I sure *wish* they would!
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Its relatively cheap to build a showcar, in the hopes that people will see what they *can* do to a relatively cheap car. Unlike their domestic and European markets, I think Honda feels that North America continues to perceive Honda as a maker of cars that appeal only to the upper-lower class, lower-middle-class, middle-class and upper-middle-class. I think that's where Honda feels the Civic's market is.
Honda already has the Insight, Civic Hybrid and S2000 loss-leaders (cars that they don't make profit-per-car on), and the price points needed to make the CTR profitable aren't going to appeal to the consumer classes I listed above. I also think that Honda feels that whatever sales the CTR *would* generate, would take sales away from the Acura RSX Type S. I think Honda feels there is only so many NA buyers for a Honda-produced vehicle of that type, at that price. And the only distinguishing features between the two would be the body style.
"We" (honda-tech.com patrons, Civic HB fans, etc.) might be willing to pay the $23k+ price tag it would take to make the car profitable, but how many are "we" compared to total Civic sales? They've already discovered that relatively few were willing to pay $19k for the Si. And that lukewarem (dismal?) reception was not because the Si's not worth $19k, its because the NA market *perceives* its not worth $19k, because its an "obvious" hatchback. The NA market has traditionally equated hatchbacks as vehicles that the the upper-lower class and lower-middle-class buy. Yeah, the RSX is a hatch also, but quite secondary to its being a "sports coupe", and an "Acura". Based what I feel is the above reasoning, and the need to put multi-$k incentives in place to just move the Si, I can't say that I blame them for not bringing over the CTR.
But I sure *wish* they would!
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what? loss leader and price points? lol, if honda wanted to bring the type R they would, they could and it would make money. the Si definitely does not take away from RSX sales. S2000 loss leader??
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Re: WTF is this? Regarding EP... (23psi4age)
"We" (honda-tech.com patrons, Civic HB fans, etc.) might be willing to pay the $23k+ price tag it would take to make the car profitable, but how many are "we" compared to total Civic sales? They've already discovered that relatively few were willing to pay $19k for the Si. And that lukewarem (dismal?) reception was not because the Si's not worth $19k, its because the NA market *perceives* its not worth $19k, because its an "obvious" hatchback. The NA market has traditionally equated hatchbacks as vehicles that the the upper-lower class and lower-middle-class buy. Yeah, the RSX is a hatch also, but quite secondary to its being a "sports coupe", and an "Acura". Based what I feel is the above reasoning, and the need to put multi-$k incentives in place to just move the Si, I can't say that I blame them for not bringing over the CTR.
But I sure *wish* they would!
But I sure *wish* they would!
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Re: WTF is this? Regarding EP... (taikahn)
are you stupid? its an ep -- ? wtf, else would it be ?
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Re: WTF is this? Regarding EP... (23psi4age)
Yeah i hear ya on the whole part bout people either considering the RSX and RSX Type-S or the EP3. Ive been savin up my cash so i can buy a Type-S and I hadnt even taken a look at an EP3 til my friend got his last week. Anyway that show EP3 is nice....but i would of put a smaller spoiler on it because if u have driven one u would know that its hard as **** to see out of the back window and that spoiler would only make it worse. 
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Re: WTF is this? Regarding EP... (HamsterBall)
i think that's honda's show car. it was on SEMA too wasn't it?
i think they call it their concept civic. or some **** like that.
i think they call it their concept civic. or some **** like that.
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Re: WTF is this? Regarding EP... (23psi4age)
...lol, if honda wanted to bring the type R they would, they could and it would make money...
... the Si definitely does not take away from RSX sales...
...S2000 loss leader??
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Re: WTF is this? Regarding EP... (lowandslow)
Is it factory Honda w/ aftermarket parts, or a prototype of a possible future change to the EP3. Don't chime in with st00pid comments like that if you don't have anything productive to add to the thread.
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Re: WTF is this? Regarding EP... (23psi4age)
uhhh, the Si isnt a poor seller becuase its a $19k hatchback....
... its a poor seller cuz its a $15k car with a $19k price tag...
...IT Should be renamed Civic Ex Hatchback...
...its a poor seller because its not as good as the last generation Si yet costs more (thats the most important part of its poor sales).
...its definitely NOT a poor seller anymore especially with the deep discounts that u can get off of it - that make it very good buy....
...the Si definitely does not take away from RSX sales....
...they are 2 completely diff cars and aimed at people with completely different mind frames. when i was looking to buy, not Once did i go and look at a base model RSX. i think for the most part people who have the Si in mind dont even consider the base RSX as another option. and people who have the RSX or RSX-S in mind dont consider the Si at all.
I purchased my Si because it represented the absolute best example of what I *wanted* at the price I *wanted* to pay. I *might* have ponied up the extra few grand to get the styling of an RSX, *if* Honda hadn't decided to offer such deep discounts on the Si.
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Re: WTF is this? Regarding EP... (wakaru)
- the CTR (which i meant to include when i said Si which i meant any interation of a hatchback civic) will Not take away from the RSX-S or RSX sales = what people look for in the Rsx when they are buying is no where to be found in any interation of the Civic hatchback (besides power) why would a teen age girl or young male lookin for a small luxurious car with leather and sun roof and a good stereo and an "expensive" lay out and "expensive" look to its interior look at a CTR???? they would go with RSX-S or plain RSX all the way. oh and cant forget its an Acura too.
- the Si being a hatchback has nothing to do with its poor sales = all of the bad write ups on it saying it lost the "Si" "boy racer" image and its poor performance numbers as compared to the last generation Si are what leads to its pooor sales. whats the first thing to come up when u talk about the new Si - "is it fast?" and you have to reply "not as fast as the old one" and people then shrug "damn" lol.
- on paper when u list it out yeah the Si is superior to the Ex and superior to the Old Si, but the sum of its part dont add up to what the "Si" badge -used- to mean and its not as good as the old Si. yeah its parts list is better than an Ex , but the sum of its parts dont feel like what an Si "should" or "should have" felt like and it doesnt feel all that better than a civic ex (coupe)
- the Si being a hatchback has nothing to do with its poor sales = all of the bad write ups on it saying it lost the "Si" "boy racer" image and its poor performance numbers as compared to the last generation Si are what leads to its pooor sales. whats the first thing to come up when u talk about the new Si - "is it fast?" and you have to reply "not as fast as the old one" and people then shrug "damn" lol.
- on paper when u list it out yeah the Si is superior to the Ex and superior to the Old Si, but the sum of its part dont add up to what the "Si" badge -used- to mean and its not as good as the old Si. yeah its parts list is better than an Ex , but the sum of its parts dont feel like what an Si "should" or "should have" felt like and it doesnt feel all that better than a civic ex (coupe)
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Re: WTF is this? Regarding EP... (23psi4age)
2 more things i missed
- how is the S2000 a loss leader? they pretty much all sell for MSRP - no loss when sold for MSRP
- if the CTR came over here, it would make money. how wouldnt it? the sum of its parts would definitely be worth a low 20k price tag. and people would buy it cuz unlike the Si - it lives up to its name (yeah yeah i know its not as much of a typeR as the older generations but its still a typeR and embodies what a typeR should be)
this is great, havent had a good "argument" on here in a while. the S2000/NSX page used to have some good arguments. lol. been kinda borin lately
- how is the S2000 a loss leader? they pretty much all sell for MSRP - no loss when sold for MSRP
- if the CTR came over here, it would make money. how wouldnt it? the sum of its parts would definitely be worth a low 20k price tag. and people would buy it cuz unlike the Si - it lives up to its name (yeah yeah i know its not as much of a typeR as the older generations but its still a typeR and embodies what a typeR should be)
this is great, havent had a good "argument" on here in a while. the S2000/NSX page used to have some good arguments. lol. been kinda borin lately