Do you guys think I should wait until teh whole car is done first before I start sending out sporsorship proposals?

Well, right now, there is the h22a stock motor with bolt-ons and a 100shot single fogger system. Trying to go 11's with that first while my spare is being built. I jsut need some damn sponsors for body parts.

I already talked to Keizerwheels and they are willing to do a partial sponsorship if I run a windshield banner

 

Yes. Get the car finished first. If you say you are going to compete at _____ events and something happens and the car isn`t finished you`ll look like an ***. Could be a breach of contract too.

 

Do it on your own dime...then you own yourself and can act the way you want to act.

 

yea but you gotta remember nobody wants to sponsor a car that is haf done. or needs money to be competive. im not a expert on this but alot of my freinds are. they said sponsors are selfish and only want to put there decals on cars that are ALREADY FAST and out at events. they want to just go the easy route. they dont want to help you on a long project, there are thousands of people who build cars and then give up on them becuase of $$$$ and try asking for sponsorship but never get it. its a cruel world.. better off getting to the track on your own money. then see where it takes you. good luck!!

 

I'm in the same position with my street car. it was finished and ready to go 10's atleast but i decided to tear it apart and make enough power for 9's before going for sponsors. I got turned down today by hondata sort of. I asked them to sponsor us on a s200 system for my street car since i am running a 4bd and want the newer system. they said they can upgrade me. **** I wanted to sell the 4bd and get something free atleast. I mean i have made the highest claimed hp on hondata and was going guarantee them easy 10 second passes and over 600hp next time out. I would also run the hondata stickers on the car. All they offer is a measly upgrade??? what would they do with my old 4bd anyway?? resell it??? Needless to say I will be running speedpro now. a better system anyway!!

By the way paul, your turbo shipped. I will email you tracking I forgot to send it earlier and I'm at home now.


[Modified by MotorMatrix.com, 10:01 PM 1/27/2003]

 

Seems to me Hondata is a little too arogant since they have the Erick's racing Civic running their system...

MotorMatrix.. Don't worry about Hondata.. I had the same deal... Needless to say.. Not too impressed or pleased...

 

The hondata works great for what it is but when i was on the phone they didnt seem to enthused about what i had to say. i even sent a nice proposal and all. I asked if they could post my dyno sheet and they said they are busy but might get it up there if they can. I mean come on, 565whp is not spectacular but is the highest made on hondata. they should be begging me for info so they can post it on their site. i mean they are the ones that will benefit when people see that it isnt limited to just 400-500hp. anyway, i was disappointed but it made my decision to get a speedpro that much easier.

 

Yeah...It's toss up between teh FAST or the Autronic for me right now. As of right now, Ben is really making me lean towards the Autronic though. Hs Tech support is Great

 

Speed pro is not all that great. The drivers and hardware are no where near what the motec or autronic is. Just remember the autronic's are all sequential...the speed pro that is cost alot more then both autronics. I mean, you can get the motec m4 for like 2000 bucks.

 

i know the motec drivers are better for sure but the price of motec is still much more then speedpro with the same capabilties. i mean take the 2000.00 motec and add unlimited datalogging and wideband and then tell me how much it costs. also, the speedpro has been proven in all 3 venom cars and several other hot rod cars. just my opinion.

 

The Speedpro doesn't have all that many options like sequential inj on the base model, boost controll, etc. However it is really user friendly, easy to navigate through the software, and the data logger doesn't run out of time .
I would rather spend $1300 on a base model Speedpro than $2000 on a base model M4. A $2000 Motec M4 doesn't come with any options or sensors, maybe if you get it used.

 

but there is a TON more power to be made with seq. fire, let alone its more drivable and easier on a motor. See theres the thing...you can spend 1600 on a autronic and your set...you get all this stuff with it. The base model is comparable to the motec m4 plus you get unlimited data logging and seq. fire of 8 injectors so I guess the base model is more like the m48 motec. The extra 300 bucks to get all these options is money well spent.

 

I agree, the sequential injection would definetly be worth the extra $300. However, you still have to find a tuner to tune it, the Spreedpro is very wide spread so you can usually find a person who knows what they are doing with it. You don't hear of to many shops/tuners that know the Autronic. IMO

 

hehe...thats what im trying to change. But just remember when all us honda guys were using dfi? thats when speedpro was the new craze and it was crank fire and people had to have it. I dont think that should limit people from a great system. I mean, it comes with a cable and software...plus has autotune which makes people think they are the worlds best tuner them selfs. Its gonna get out there...

 

You are completely right, eventually it will be known everywhere. I remember back almost 3 yrs ago I was at KG and Kurt told me that he thought the Speedpro was a bad idea over the DFI gen 6 because of the limited support, now look!!

 

Haha...thats because Kurt tunes DFI!!!! but yeah, I know what your saying. Im just so pumped on the Autronic. I have no plans on selling it nor am I trying to push it for any other reason; just the fact that the price is insane and the product is even more insane.

 

go check out the motec website! they have a m4 honda kit. comes with everything. harness, sensors, tech support etc. $2200. the data logger on the motec is way better then the speedpro also. even though motec is not widely used by most tuners it's not that difficult. if you run into a prob you can call motec and the guys no all the honda stuff.

 

i was a true believer in the dfi gen 7 , until i was offered a somewhat sponcorship with AUTRONIC. (once again ninesecrx thanks for the link.) i was really lookin over the options and the software and it is unbelievable. i think it is deffinatly the next speedpro of the past. now my dfi is sold and im running the autronic system with their cdi box. autronic

 

Don`t say that, you only know one side of the story. Maybe he approched them wrong or had a terrible proposal (or didn`t have one at all).

Ryan

 

speed pro works fine.. i used it and i enjoyed with much success, i know several other people who use it. its all prefferance to me.. there are some people on a haltech for example running just as fast or sometimes faster then others with more $$$ fuel management. if im not mistaken the ecko civic ran a dfi and runs very strong.. motec is better i agree but for the price you cant go wrong. tunability is cake compared to the very high tech units such as motec or autronic. but thats what tech support is for.

 

I think the key to sponsorship, including with Hondata, is not what necessarily what you have but what you can sell them.

Too many people send out proposals that say look here I have a honda that makes 500whp or whatever. I ran a 10 second quarter mile time! Wohooo!

There are tons of them, it isn't impressive. You have to SELL them. What can you do for them? How will they see more revenue by sending you their product? There are hundreds of kids that will run a Hondata sticker for free, and you want them to send you their product for free so you can do the same?

This is coming across as brash and I'm not trying to directly pounce you matrix. I'm just saying that you have to be a salesman when you send out a proposal, and realize that you're probably going to get turned down anyway. That doesn't make the company arrogant. If I was owned Hondata, and I could have hundreds of kids running hondata stickers for free, and someone came to me saying they wanted free products to do the same I would politely tell them no thanks. It isn't a smart business deal. But if you can sell them that you are special and/or well known, that you will generate product interest, and most importantly that you will generate revenue for them, you may catch some more interest.

I bet many companies would give you a free product if you agreed to do a nationwide campaign for them, setting up booths at every event this year and handing out fliers/answering questions. Why? Its a good deal for the company. Is it reasonable for you? No. But find the medium between "I'll put a sticker on my car" and "I'll go to every event everywhere adn tell everyone." It may work out for you after all...


[Modified by trbob16a, 11:10 AM 1/30/2003]

 

If you only saw what was in my proposal. It wsa nothing like I have made the most hp give me a free hondata. It was more like what i can do to bring hondata to a new level in this sport. how i can show people that hondata can power a turbo car into the 9's(who knows if i will run 9's), how hondata can be run a on car that gets driven to the track, runs a 10 second pass and drives back home with stock like idle quality,makes over 600whp. anyway it was really good and proof read by another person who has several sponsors. I had a whole section of "what i can do for hondata". anyway, they dont want to give up a new s200. no problem. i asked well what if buy one can you give me a decent price. 495.00 is what they say. wow retail price is great for someone that preaches hondata to every single person they see, made the highest hp on hondata, guarantees 10sec timeslips etc.. needless to say i got a speedpro and sold my hondata. I'm not anti hondata and i still tell anyone wanting to making 300-600 hp to go hondata but to not even offer my a better price on an s200. thats a joke!!!

 

Yeah I kind of figured you put together a decent proposal. I wasn't trying to bash you or anything, just generally putting out information to people trying to get sponsored. The what I can do for you section is key.

Good luck this season

 

hes got it right. not to take anything away from your accomplishments but i guess it doesnt impress them enough to just give away stuff. for them its all about Return On Investment or in short what can you do for us that others cant. so as the average guy on the track i would say take what you can get then go out to as many races as you can and run some good numbers. that will look better in your proposal than anything.
-Roger

 

well, list your accomplishments from prior cars, etc.. that can work to help you ...

I leveraged off my FROG to build my CHEETAH using the same sponsors plus new ones ... no one gives parts for free unless they 1) delat with you in the past wiht +ive ROI or 2) you have enough backing by other sponsors that they blend nicely with and see that you have committed thousands of $$s from your own pocket. And if oyu hit the right sponsors, ones that did not have bad historical experiences with people who screwed them up in the past you'll have a chance.

Oh yeah, I totally understand how anxious you are to get up there ... just take baby steps and finish her up, run her, pull some wins and keep in touch with your sponsors.

Greg