can it be done? has it been done?

yes, i know with money anything can be done but i mean reasonably.

thanks

 

someone is working on the mounting kit now. it would provide a little more ground cleareance but the motor itself would stick up to high. a new hood would definately have to be purcahsed. i know they put one inside a 2k1 or 2000 civic ex. there are vids, i think i even asked them about it and they said for 17 grand they could do it inside a crx. that would be a crazy fast car though. it would be relatively easy to get it up to 200whp.

 

if you want 200hp put a h22 in there. it will probably be cheaper.

 

It's kinda pointless, you'd have to convert all the electronics and make the tranny fit since you can't use your tranny. Someone talked about it earlier, but I can't find it in Search.

 

The K20 isn't even that great of an engine FOR THE 1988-1991 CIVIC CR-X, so why bother when a B18C5 has been done and is proven to be a better engine?

Yes I edited the statement because too many people misinterpreted what I meant.

 

Exactly. I'm not a big fan of teh K series engines. Just get a high end B-Series or possibly an H-series if you've got money to burn.

 

LOL, the B18c5 is a better engine? Where do you get your info? Do you know anything about the K20A engine? Everything about the engine is better than the B18c5. Don't get me wrong, the B18C is an awesome engine, but the K20A is just a better design. Give the engine 5 years and it will be making 250whp just like B18C's are making 200whp. The aftermarket support just isnt there yet.

 

Yeah why is it that there are more blown K20 motors at the Acura delaers then?

I get my info straight from the guys who work on them every day.

I'm sure that Honda's not stupid and that the K20 has more overall potential, but I said that the B18C5 has been PROVEN to be better - many more years of racing backs up the B18C5 whereas the K20 is still too new to see how they'll hold up to abuse.

I say that the normal Joe will blow a K20 much sooner for various reasons, inclusing the vague feeling shifter that's been causing so many mis-shifts and blown engines.

The K20 doesn't even have a "lock-out" mechanism that keep you from grabbing the wrong gear like the B and D series trannies have.

I don't talk out of my *** my friend. I won't talk about something if I don't know anything about it.

...and I'm not saying that you or anyone else does either.

 

i stand behind the b18c5/R
but we are comparing the greatest B motor to the substandard K motor.
we can obviously see whats better there.

we should open the book on the K20 type R motor.
because i see lots of big name Japanese companies using the rsx-r in heavy competition.

 

Yes certainly the K20 motor in the JDM Type R is great, but again let's see what happens if they ever get here in mass numbers and get beaten on by average people.

Real drivers (JGTC, Verno Cup, Speed Vision Cup, etc.) can get the most out of an engine and keep it running longer than you and I - the average Joe.

Considering how relatively easy it is to get a B18C5/B18C - Type R motor into a 1988-1991 Civic/CR-X the idea of a K20 is just dumb IMO.

I'm sure if a mount kit is released it will be more expensive than the older B mounts, plus the K swaps are going for as much if not more than the B18C5/B18C-R swaps are.

We still don't know what axles, linkage, etc. will need to be used also.

I'll stick with what I KNOW works.

 

whoever said that the b18c5 is a better motor doesn't know what they are talking about. the k20 has already been dynoedat 230 whp without cams or any headwork or anything else done to the internals. notice i said whp and this wasn't inflated #'s this was hondata's #'s.

as for reliability. people who are blowing their engines are over revving them. it's as simple as that. no motor on stock valve springs/retainers will handle 10k-12k rpms. not even our beloved b18c5. people are misshifting and most of them are doing it because they can't drive properly. it has nothing to do with the engine being reliable. with the proper cams and headwork and some more mods you will see this engines potential. it will be better than any b series motors

just fyi i use to own a rsx (now it's a 350z) and i still own a b16'd crx. if they could make a mount kit this would be the way to go.

also a H22 doesn't have the power output to the ground mod for mod that a k20 does nor does it have as good as gearing.



[Modified by 2k2silvertype-s, 10:57 AM 1/26/2003]

 

17K? Just buy a new Si

 

So what happened to the the rsx you use to have?

 

how much is a k series motor? also how does it sit in comparison to a b series would it destroy the handling of the car like a h series?

imo use a b18c5 and leave k's for newer civics

 

I agree, a K20 engine in a EF/EG/EK/DC/DA is a stupid idea, just stick with a B-series. I'm just saying, the K20 is a better design. The head flows an insane amount compared to any B-series head. The oil pan is aluminum and strengths the block. Runs off a chain, uses roller rockers. It may have a few problems, but like I said, give it 5 years and it will walk all over any B-series engine.

 

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So what happened to the the rsx you use to have?
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i sold it and bought a 350z as stated in my above post

 

doesn't the k series engine spin opposite to what the older honda engins?

d/b- series spin counter clockwise?
k series spin clock wise or was it vise versa...

soo wouldn't the engin have to sit backwords?

gonna be lots of crazy work to make the k20a/b to fit

 

First of all don't disrespect me by telling me that I "don't know what I'm talking about."

You don't have to attack someone personally if you cannot think of more logical ways to attack an idea or opinion - tell us why you disagree, but keep your bullshit to yourself.

Rather than talk about the K20 being dynoed at "over 230whp" SHOW us, okay? Are we talking a stock RSX Type-S motor? JDM ITR K20 or what? Sorry but I highly doubt that a stock RSX Type-S motor will push over 230whp even with some miracle Hondata ECU.

Actually I have worked in and around Honda and Acura dealers since 1995, so again what I'm saying is directly from mechanics' mouths.

The local dealer has seen many more blown RSX motors already than the combined 4 years that the B18C5 came in Type Rs. Talk all of the **** you want to, but there are reasons that the K20s are being blown up more easily. Blame it on sorry drivers, but the fact is that if the shifter wasn't so vague and if it would properly lock you out of too low of a gear relative to your mph then the K20s would not be getting blown to hell so often.

Can I borrow your crystal ball after you're done with it? I'm trying to place bets on the big game tonight and since you KNOW for a FACT that the K series will be better than the B series then surely you must have a crystal ball, right?

Look I never said the K sucks, or that they might not end up being the be all, end all VTEC motor from Honda. Stop putting wirds in my mouth.

What I mean is this, and these are FACTS:

The K motors have not been fully sorted out yet.
The B18C5 has been in production much longer and has been proven many more times thus far to be reliable.
There is currently no easy way to get a K motor in a 1988-1991 hatch.
There is a very easy way to get a B18C5 into a 1988-1991 hatch.
The aftermarket for the K isn't nearly as strong as it is for B series motors - yet.
The aftermarket for the B18C5 is vast and very strong, and still growing. FI, N/A, you name it.

Can you handle facts, or must you continue to try and belittle me by telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about?

 

yO'! I waNNA pOP dA' NEw acCORd V6 yO' in mY hatCHiE-HaTCh!!!! 11111

Ok, joking aside. K-Series in an EF is silly. B-Series fO' sHO', pLaYA'!!!!

 

oh K series..... How I hate the... The K-series is crap for turboing... The I Vtec makes it impossible to get the optimal boost... To hell with the K series...

 

http://www.hondata.com/k20a2release.html

190whp with just an intake and hondata. straight off their website.

here's another with EDO's #'s from his car.

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread...threadid=62240

tellling someone they dont know what they are talking about is not a personal attack. it's not the same as me calling you stupid. you like half the board are ignorant of what the possibilities are and are blinded by what you "hear" from other people.

guess what, if someone miss-shifts it's driver error. it has nothing to do with how close they were gated. i drove that car for 25,000 miles and not once did i ever misshift. it's poor driving that causes that.

i'm also talking about a K20a2 which is the type-s motor not the R. the R motor would actually be putting down more power than the k20a2.

did you also know that a 13.85 was hit by a RSX-s this past weekend without cams, header any head work. tires, ecu, and cai along with ES motor mounts were all he had. i dont know many crx's with b16's that are putting that kinda time down without more work than that.

first of all the guy didn't ask for your opinions on a b18c5 engine in a crx now did he? do you have some sort of reading comprehension skills. he asked if a k20 had been put in there. you and every other B series loyalists brought up a whole different subject that wasn't even the topic of discussion. he never asked about a b series or a H series motor he asked about a k20. i gave him the answer that he wanted.

with what little aftermarket the motor does have it's already suprassing the power output of the b18c5. between the power output the better gearing and the wider torque band this motor has more potential than the B series.

hell church automotive is the ones doing all the dynoing for hondata and the new maps for the k20. they have also dyno'd many s2000's and the k20's that people like EDO have are putting down more whp than a stock or CAI/exhaust s2k. hell even one of the guys who works there raced edo and lost in his modified s2k. want proof? just ask him.

and no one has proved the k20 to be non-reliable. driver error does not count. as far as locking someone out of a gear, the synchros mesh is there for a reason. it makes the shifter one of the best feeling shifters out of all the cars i've driven (besides an s2k). no engine would survive being at 12k rpms unless built and that's a fact. maybe if these rice boys who can't drive would actually take some lessons it would quit happening. next time you talk to your acura tech ask them why the motors are blowing.

 

Okay you're still ignoring THE key FACT here:

There is no mount kit available RIGHT NOW to properly get a K motor into any 1988-1991 Civic/CR-X now is there?

Want to still argue?

I suggested the B18C5 because it was the closest thing to power output and it will bolt right in with a mount kit.

 

So first you said this:

But in reality, it's only 190whp instead. So really you inflated the numbers.

The one pushing 230whp had different cams, intake manfold, Hondata refalshable ECU, etc. Hardly bone stock w/o any real work like you claimed.

Something else you're not thinking of is that there's not nearly as many people who are willing to tear into a K motor like there are the B motor people. You might live near a shop that does great K work, but I know around here in Atlanta nobody's building them up yet at all.



I mean 40whp might not be a big deal to you, but it sure is to me. Do you make it a common practice to exxagerate in orderto try and sell your points?

Agreed that 190whp is impressive, but again how are you going to bolt it all into the Civic/CR-X engine bay?

The 1988-1991 engine bay is much smaller than the EK engine bay that has already seen the JDM ITR K20 motor or even the 1992-1995 Civics that people are already trying to make mount kits for.

 

It can be done, and rumor has it, it has been done. Eventually, I would like to see the pictures. It would not be too terribly difficult to wire either. It will not be cheap to do and people who do it will be questioned for sanity. But hey, I knew a guy who spent $20K fixing up a Colt Vista Wagon.

After we do our EK bolt in kit, I will start the generic EG,DC,EF kit. It will be a weld in.

It would be nice if people would answer questions like this one with answers like, "Yeah, contact so-n-so I heard he's done one," rather than, "You're stupid, why do you want to waste your money?"

The K20A2 is a better motor, hands down. And the 6-speed tranny is a better tranny, too. With header, intake and ECU tune they will get 230 hp. The header is not in production yet, so I won't name the brand, but I have seen the dyno sheet. It will be out this summer I assume (we don't make it). K20As blow up because people miss shifts, ask the tech's who are replacing the engines. The ECU records the death of the engine.

I don't want to insult anyone here, but the older VTEC engines are not as good as the newer K20A2 and F20B engines. On the same note, the K20 is not crap for turboing, it is the ECU that causes the problem. The fact is, all Honda VTEC engines are less than ideal for turboing. Honda doesn't build the bottom end for turboing, it builds it for NA applications. The K20A2 and K24A will prove to be superior for turboing in the next couple of years. They have by design, a much stronger bottom end than the B-series and H-series engines.


brian g

 

Doznt AREA51 make or is makeing a kit to put the K motor in to a EK hatch ????

im shure the K would fit in a EF and your are geting a 6speed tranny then but for the work and the off set at this point in time its still to early to dish out that much $$$ for a K in to any thing