well people that tune around here want 150 an hour... they said it would probably take 3-4 hours to tune mine... is that long?...i have
550cc injectors
prelude running p72(gsr) ecu
cams
cam gears
flywheel
t3/t4b turbo
ignition
coil
other crap that willnt matter tuning wise...

 

150/hr is the going rate.

I find that H series motors are harder to tune then B series motors so 3-4 hrs is a correct estimate.

 

holy **** i should have gotten EMS

 

It would take twice as long to tune AEM.

3 hrs of tuning should be enough to cover all the areas of the map, Including partial throttle etc.

 

a friend of mine has a pocket programer and rom editior.. can he hook me up with something that will lower the tuning time?

 

hehehe No. Every tuner has thier own signature or style of tuning, therefore they will mold your maps into somethign they want.

Just do it right, the FIRST time!

Don't cheap out on tuning because that's the most important thing.

 

yea i was thinkin maybe something like this

my friend has the same setup i have.. only difference is he is running 440cc and i have 550.. he runs 15psi i run 7...what if i run his basemap and just get dyno tuners to tune it from there.. will that save money and time....


[Modified by BoostedH23a1, 8:48 PM 1/20/2003]

 

aem ems takes longer to tune than hondata?

 

from what i hear...yes.. u start from zero instead of 10.. hehe

 

wow, i was wondering this too...when i talked to payn tech. they told me 1.5-3 hrs...and i thought that seemed like alot, oh well if its done right then thats priceless to me

 

anyone know anyone else around South Carolina?

 

 

yes you can use this map and you should be pretty good. you will probably only need an hour and two pulls on the dyno.

-deepsi

 

Normal EMS tuning is rather expensive but worth it. The average is about 2 hours of straight tuning. If you want to cut down on the total time then have everything ready to go. If using a boost controller try and have it set to the desired psi before you get to the dyno. Yesterday it took us 30-45 minutes to find the desired boost level on a mechanical unit. There goes 30-45 minutes of real tuning. Conserve your time and only pay for actual tuning.

 

It usually takes about 10 hours of street wideband tuning before i am happy with my maps. I am super picky on my partial throttle stuff. It helps when you have your own wideband, and hondata stage 4b to tune with.

 

so u guys think i should use my buddies basemap.. then tune from there... save about an hour or so?

 

ya use his basemap.

 

oh crap forgot to say he is using p28 ecu.. not the p72 which i will be useing...will this matter?

 

y are u using the gsr ecu insted of the ls ecu??

 

because he has secondary intake runners, and only a GSR ECU is compatable with controlling them as well as working with the Hondata.

 

so all h23 guys should run a gsr ecu???

 

I have plenty of experience tuning hondata around here, and it will take 2hours or so to develop the ignition and fuel maps which are 90-95%. The final 5-10% will require 30min-1hr on the dyno.
To cut this time in half, use a wideband lambda meter which can be wired directly to your ecu to be datalogged. This way, you simply drive the car around...and stop after 5-10min. Look at the datalog (inside RomEditor), and it will show you exactly where you are off on your table (i.e. input a desired target lambda value into areas of the map). You then change the values that need work...and if all goes well, a few more 5-10min runs should have your car tuned quite well. That cuts tuning time down to somewhere between 30min and 1hr. After that, take it to the dyno and fool around with your ignition timing (and some fuel) to obtain maximum power out of your system.

The other way to tune the system requires 15+ hours of tuning and also requires a dyno. In this way, you place the car on a dyno that can load the vehicle. Drive to each rpm interval (at part throttle) and make sure the lambda value is what it needs to be. Repeat for all area of part throttle maps. Then do the normal full throttle runs and tune as usual.

Trust me, tune on the street with a wideband first. You can get your car to 90-95% of its full capability (and it requires no dyno hours...aka extra cash). Then when it is as good as you can get it on the street, take it to a dyno. You will find that you do not need to do much work to get it to 100%.

Good luck
XES
Hondata Stage4B user/tuner


[Modified by XES, 1:29 AM 1/21/2003]

 

i cant tune it.. i dont have 1300 for a lamba meter either....yes if u have secondaires u have to run p72 if u want them to work..

 

Contact Hipe Motorsports, they are around your area.

http://www.hondata.com/contact.html

 

I'm getting Hondata tomorrow! Yippee! Anyway...You know what I've been wondering...if you have adjustable cam gears, adjustable fpr, and hondata, what's the order they go in as far as adjusting which first, and do the cam gears increase tuning time much?