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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 10:44 AM
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Okay, I'm interested in getting an HID system and it seems like everyone here recommends getting the Philips kit from Trevor @ VisualDynamics. Well, there is no group buy going right now and he quoted me $500.

Misterjung has his HID kits which have Hella ballasts for $379 shipped, and then you have the McCulloch system which have their own proprietary bulbs. I also got an offer on the CATZ system for $420. I did a search and couldn't really come up with any testimonials on the McCulloch, MisterJung, or the CATZ system.

Basically, I just wanted to see if anyone has any more testimonials on those other brands cause I don't think I can wait for the VisualDynamics group buy..

Thanks for reading.

Oh yeah, how is this ITR related? Well... HID for my ITR of course
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 10:47 AM
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What happened to "Wanting to Buy: Nothing now, I'm broke "???
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 10:47 AM
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He's addicted!


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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 10:48 AM
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Get the Catz system. I have on on my Civic and love it.
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 10:49 AM
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I've been tossing around the idea of HID lately as well. My friend just got Silverstars on his LS, and his visibility is SO much better than mine.

I don't want to go spend $50 on halogen bulbs, but I'm not so sure I want to go HID just yet either. I saw the Hanabi 6000K kit for $354.99, but I have no idea how that brand is.
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 10:51 AM
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What happened to "Wanting to Buy: Nothing now, I'm broke "???
What are you talking about? hehe. Serious, this car **** is like crack.

BTW, 4300-4500K will give you the most white and the least amount of blue in the light output.
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 10:53 AM
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Stick with the big names: Phillips/Osram/Hella etc. Why?

They supply ALL the OEM stuff for Audis, Bimmers, Ferraris, Hondas (S2000). all that proprietary stuff is for the rice birds.

Not too familiar with integra kits, but make sure the kits that these people sell include the hella/phillips ballast, a phillips or osram bulb rated at 4100-4300K and to really go after the factory setup, a phillips/valeo/hella lens and housing that fits your car. everything needs to be designed to work together as an HID unit.


as for the blue that all the ricers lust after has more to do with the prism effect of the projector lens than anything else. for the best lighting, you don't want the IS300 lexus setup. you want like the s2000 projector lens setup (also found in porsches, audis, etc).

going higher than 6000K really is a detriment to safety and your ability to see. it'll mess with your head i say!


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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 10:54 AM
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What happened to "Wanting to Buy: Nothing now, I'm broke "???

What are you talking about? hehe. Serious, this car **** is like crack.

BTW, 4300-4500K will give you the most white and the least amount of blue in the light output.
LoL. It's all good...I totally understand.
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 10:57 AM
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Stick with the big names: Phillips/Osram/Hella etc. Why?

They supply ALL the OEM stuff for Audis, Bimmers, Ferraris, Hondas (S2000). all that proprietary stuff is for the rice birds.

Not too familiar with integra kits, but make sure the kits that these people sell include the hella/phillips ballast, a phillips or osram bulb rated at 4100-4300K and to really go after the factory setup, a phillips/valeo/hella lens and housing that fits your car. everything needs to be designed to work together as an HID unit.


as for the blue that all the ricers lust after has more to do with the prism effect of the projector lens than anything else. for the best lighting, you don't want the IS300 lexus setup. you want like the s2000 projector lens setup (also found in porsches, audis, etc).

going higher than 6000K really is a detriment to safety and your ability to see. it'll mess with your head i say!


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Have you taken a look at the kit from http://www.misterjung.com - it uses the hella/philips ballasts but the bulbs are generic I think... would you recommend this?
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 11:08 AM
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Visualdynamics 4300k philips kit on right, std. halogens left. for Trevors kit!
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 12:04 PM
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Stay far, far away.

Review the site for more HID knowledge. they supply the real deal. but remember, the 6000K ultinons have less lumens than the 4300K ones (OEM). but they do look bluer to appease the ricer in all of us.

good luck!

hids4less.com
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 01:53 PM
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OMG, look at all that GLARE! Thats got to be hell on oncomming drivers!

If you can't replace the stock projector with a REAL HID projector, don't bother with HID!
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 02:48 PM
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Stay far, far away.

Review the site for more HID knowledge. they supply the real deal. but remember, the 6000K ultinons have less lumens than the 4300K ones (OEM). but they do look bluer to appease the ricer in all of us.

good luck!

hids4less.com
i've seen the ultinon 6000k in real life and jesus they look like smurfette was smeared all over the lens

no, really, they are pretty damn blue.
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 02:52 PM
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OMG, look at all that GLARE! Thats got to be hell on oncomming drivers!

If you can't replace the stock projector with a REAL HID projector, don't bother with HID!
LOL...its not that bad! You dont know how he took that pic, if you squat down closer to the ground to take the pic they may appear to be blinding but really aren't. This was one of my main concerns when putting HID's on my R. Its not bad at all unless you going uphill and an oncoming car catches you right at the top. Otherwise .
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 02:56 PM
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4300K

blue purple

I personally dont like the blue purple look.
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 03:08 PM
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How does oncoming traffic tell if ya have a turn signal on or not??? thats alot of light!
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 03:13 PM
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hrm, all this HID talk makes me wana get it for my other vehicle
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 03:14 PM
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How does oncoming traffic tell if ya have a turn signal on or not??? thats alot of light!
they are forced to pull over, stop, and let you do what you need to do until their eyes adjust and they can see again
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 05:47 PM
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OMG, look at all that GLARE! Thats got to be hell on oncomming drivers!

If you can't replace the stock projector with a REAL HID projector, don't bother with HID!
Well yes, an OEM HID projector housing would give the best results, but HID in the stock halogen projector housing is still a BIG improvement over stock. Aim them correctly and it will rarely glare into other people's eyes. If you stand in front of my car and look at my headlights from above the cutoff, it looks like just whiter versions of normal lights. Get your eyes down below the cutoff, however, and it's BRIGHT!!!!

Here's my car and my friend's S2000:

Above the cutoff:


Below the cutoff:


Light on the ground and on a fence (yes the S2000 lights were too high and misaligned at the time, they have since been fixed):


You can see how much more evenly the S2000 headlights put light out on the ground. Don't say mine are brighter, those are just the hot spots you get from using HID in a halogen housing. It's still better than regular halogen, and works great for me.

*edit* forgot to say that I have Trevor's Phillips kit.


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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 05:50 PM
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I also bought the Philips HID kit from Trevor. I would wait a few weeks and get it from him. Well worth the wait and money. Driving at night is so much fun now.
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 06:38 PM
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I had the Mcculochs and I thought they sucked monkey *****. Too blue for me cause they were 6000K. I now have the Phillips 4300K. They give alot of light on the road but dont give out the color (who cares!!).
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 06:48 PM
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I got the kit from Trevor too

I've had my kit for about a month now and I've had no problem with oncoming traffic getting blinded. Major improvement over stock.
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 07:00 PM
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I got the Phillips kit from Trevoer...complete PnP. Two sockets and that's it.

Then, an ITR buddy, got a kit featuring the Hella ballast. He has to wire the ground and power himself. I'll have to find out which one.
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 08:05 PM
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OMG, look at all that GLARE! Thats got to be hell on oncomming drivers!

If you can't replace the stock projector with a REAL HID projector, don't bother with HID!
Yeah, the glare, theres this crazy thing called a cutoff, and below it its bright as hell, above it not so much, not to mention i had the flash off on the digi cam, so the shutter stays open a long time.. I havent even been flashed once. I aimed them the same as my friends Audi against a wall, and the cut off is surprisingly sharp from my projectors, but they are the 94-97 style, so slightly different than most of your lights, except the 97s of course. And yes, you WILL have hot spots from halogen projectors with HID bulbs, but it beats opening up my headlight housing.
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Stop that
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