Hey guys,
Just wondering if any of you have an 01 SH and How does it preform. I've driven a 99 Integra GS-R and was a fan of the VTEC.

Basically I'm just interested in your opinions of the H22A.

Thanks

 

The prelude is alot better than the GS-R. Its faster and handles better.

 

Well I don't own an '01 but my 98 has the same H22 engine. I love the car, it has good torque cause of the 2.2 liter displacement and the VTEC pulls hard. Overall the car is much classier than say a civic based on looks.
Now the downsides, the Prelude is a heavy car, although I dunno how much heavier it it than a GSR, maybe a ~100/200 pounds(?). This makes it hard to get even 15.5s at the track. The biggest problem with the H22 is that it is not boost friendly. I've heard that the B18 is pretty strong stock but the H22 will blow with even 7 PSI with turbo or supercharger. Personally I plan on running all bolt ons and maybe a 50-100 shot of nitrous in the future since that seems pretty safe on the H22. If you have any other questions feel free to PM me.

 

The H22a is a pretty reliable motor. I just hit 49,000 I've had my supercharger on my car since may at 6psi and its doing great. She pulls pretty hard. Whoever said boosting a prelude was a bad idea is sadly mistaken The car handles well for a fwd car. I recently added Ground Control Coilovers and Koni yellows to my car its safe to say i hit corners a little faster than i did before hehe. Keep her tuned up and all the fluids changed and she will be there for ya for a 200,000 easily

 

well you should re-sleeve your h22 because they dont come with very strong internals. also, if you go over 280WHP with the SH, your ATTS system will be diabled. therefore, making it a non-SH.

 

the ATTS craps out not much above the stock hp when taking corners. I was running 2psi of boost when I first installed my turbo. Due to this problem I just yanked the fuse and now it's fine. The SH has a few suspension changes which aren't on the Standard Lude so you still get some benifit to their design.
As for sleeving, you probably won't need it. the weak point on these engines are the ring lands and from what I hear the pistons and rods aren't to great either. You'll eventually want to replace these key components and maybe get a new valvetrain with a pnp.


[Modified by Mikeyslude, 10:00 PM 1/9/2003]

 

What is the suspension difference and what is ATTS?

 

I'll have to check my Helmes but one of the changes is lower a-arms.

 

i'll be swapping a built base engine and tranny into my SH. i plan on leaving the sh suspension and hoping the base transaxles/intermediate shaft will fit right in wih minimal modification.

 

ATTS is the difference between SH and base models. ATTS it Active Torque Transfer System. it lets one wheels pin faster than the other when turning and when going in a straight line, the wheels lock. correct me if i am wrong

 

Does ATTS come on all VTEC ludes or just SH's

 

just the SH and the type S in japan

 

There is also a CAM difference in the SH and a few other things too.
Check your Helmes

 

Thanks for the info guys. It seems to me that the SH is a quality ride and with some modification, can be quite the driving machine.

 

H22 iS thA ****! **** tha b18 lol.

 

I didn't mean that boosting was a BAD idea, in fact I had planned on doing it for a while myself but I didn't want to spend all the money to do it RIGHT. Do you have a stock engine? If so you must either be one of the lucky ones or just have amazing tuning because I remember several threads over at PreludeOnline.com that listed nearly half of every turbo/SC H22 blew ringlands( when using stock internals of course). My .02

 

I do have to give credit to the B series though. My old manager had a Civic Si w/AEM intake, fields "v-afc", DC header, thermal exhaust, all power options and anything that weighed more than a pound ripped out... when he'd go down thru town and hit vtec, people would just look wondering what in the hell was making that GRRWWWWALLLLLL sound. When those things hit VTEC, wow. They make one hella cool sound I wish my H22 did!

(oh and if anyone knows what exactly the difference is that makes the B series do that, let me know. I'm curious)


[Modified by rjr162, 1:13 AM 1/11/2003]

 

I have a 2001 SH and I love it to death. If you are a boost freak go with the base model. But if you are into handling more, I reccomend the SH. I don't care what anybody says, ATTS works great when you need it. So far I only have spoon strut braces and bridgestone SO3s, and the diffrence is dramatic over stock.

As for someone elses question about suspension diffrences between the 2 models. on the SH the point at which power is transfered from axle to wheel is at the exact same point where the wheels turns on its axis (due to the diffrent A arms as mentioned earlier). On the base model power is transfered either inward or outward (can't remember) of the point of wheel rotation. Hope that helps.

 

I highly recommend the SH. I have a 97 w/66k miles, I have had no problems w/it besides standard maintenance...

Is the prelude a heavy car?? yes, (but only when compared to other cars smaller than it.) is there ways to lighten it?? yes.

The prelude is an all around car, great handling, good speed, power everything, and IMO one of the best looking, cleanest cars out there.

As explained earlier ATTS is sort of like an electronic differential..If you can imagine rolling a cylinder, or pen...It just rolls straight. Now, Imagine rolling a styrofoam cup, w/a slant to it. The cup will do circles on its own...

The large end of the cup represents, the slower spinning tire (outside wheel), the small end represents the faster spinning tire (inside wheel)

ATTS is totally transparent, until you push your car to the limit...while a base model would be oversteering, the SH is still hugging the corner...It is very apparent after driving both models, right after each other.

The only draw back is boosting...If you plan on making any huge amounts of power I would go w/the base model instead. w/ATTS you will run into quiet a few headaches when boosting. And w/enough suspension upgrades you can equal the SH's handling advantage. (ala LSD.)

IF you are just doing a mild NA build up and great handling, get the SH.

The SH also got best handling car under 30k in 1997. It is a great buy you won't regret it.

 

What should i get so my base vtec will stand up to the sh suspension wise?

 

Really good tires and a bigger rear anti roll bar and you will most likely out handle a type SH with a driver on your own level.

 

Your tellin me a B series engine sounds better then a h22.
I dont think so maybe stock. Mines stock and it growls nicely. It could use some i/h/e but its nice. And i wanted a base model but i got stuck with the Sh. Im a boost guy so im goin to get a supercharger most likely unless greddy comes with a turbo kit. Or i find one for a good price. Parts arent cheap. But SH handle awesome i give them that. I was goin `120 on the freeway and my steering wheel didnt move at all. THey are nice.
Peace

 

HUH??? I never said a B sounds better than an H

 

the base also runs a 2 degree caster, whereas the SH runs a 4.1

 

I did. Just something about them.. give them an intake, and they make one hellishly cool nasty sound. Wish my 97 made it like that lol


[Modified by rjr162, 4:00 PM 1/13/2003]