Conversion from a 450cc tune to a 550cc tune is roughly 18.2%less, what's 720cc's?

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Old Dec 27, 2002 | 06:25 AM
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Default Conversion from a 450cc tune to a 550cc tune is roughly 18.2%less, what's 720cc's?

I'm trying to figure out how to convert a 450's tune to a 720's tune...does anyone know a formula or a percentage to lean out the 450's tune that will work?

It's on a ZDYNE but maybe some hondata or ems guys would know the answer.

(ZDYNE guys - know that the base and gamma figures only work when converting a stock tune to 720's)
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Old Dec 27, 2002 | 06:37 AM
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Default Re: Conversion from a 450cc tune to a 550cc tune is roughly 18.2%less, what's 720cc's? (D16A6Turbo)

I'm trying to figure out how to convert a 450's tune to a 720's tune...does anyone know a formula or a percentage to lean out the 450's tune that will work?

It's on a ZDYNE but maybe some hondata or ems guys would know the answer.

(ZDYNE guys - know that the base and gamma figures only work when converting a stock tune to 720's)
best estimate to remap is using math = multiply entire table map by 62.5%

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Old Dec 27, 2002 | 07:02 AM
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Default Re: Conversion from a 450cc tune to a 550cc tune is roughly 18.2%less, what's 720cc's? (CHEETAH)

I'm trying to figure out how to convert a 450's tune to a 720's tune...does anyone know a formula or a percentage to lean out the 450's tune that will work?

It's on a ZDYNE but maybe some hondata or ems guys would know the answer.

(ZDYNE guys - know that the base and gamma figures only work when converting a stock tune to 720's)

best estimate to remap is using math = multiply entire table map by 62.5%

greg
that's excellent, how did you get the 62.5 figure and 81.8 should be correct for 550's, right?
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Old Dec 27, 2002 | 06:05 PM
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Default Re: Conversion from a 450cc tune to a 550cc tune is roughly 18.2%less, what's 720cc's? (D16A6Turbo)

450 is 62.5% of 720

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Old Dec 27, 2002 | 06:31 PM
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Default Re: Conversion from a 450cc tune to a 550cc tune is roughly 18.2%less, what's 720cc's? (D16A6Turbo)

that's excellent, how did you get the 62.5 figure...
mathematics 101
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Old Dec 27, 2002 | 07:00 PM
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Default Re: Conversion from a 450cc tune to a 550cc tune is roughly 18.2%less, what's 720cc's? (philo)

Math 101 does not reflect the response of the injectors. you can start adjusting overall fuel trim as mentioned but in reality the low rpm with bigger injectors will deliver less fuel but will be spot on at high rpm. this is because injectors don't have a linear response. remember the weight o the pintles are heavier when you have bigger injectors. read hondata's injector tech.

i have verified this when I replace rom 440 to 550.
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Old Dec 27, 2002 | 07:44 PM
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Default Re: Conversion from a 450cc tune to a 550cc tune is roughly 18.2%less, what's 720cc's? (CHEETAH)

Will this work for any size injector.Im planning on using some 1000cc msd injectors with a speed pro.
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Old Dec 27, 2002 | 11:14 PM
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Default Re: Conversion from a 450cc tune to a 550cc tune is roughly 18.2%less, what's 720cc's? (BOOS10)

Math 101 does not reflect the response of the injectors. you can start adjusting overall fuel trim as mentioned but in reality the low rpm with bigger injectors will deliver less fuel but will be spot on at high rpm. this is because injectors don't have a linear response. remember the weight o the pintles are heavier when you have bigger injectors. read hondata's injector tech.

i have verified this when I replace rom 440 to 550.
So at idle you had to richen the fuel maps a bit? In your case, what defines low rpm 0-3000?
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Old Dec 27, 2002 | 11:25 PM
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you have to experiment really. depends on the actual engine. but hondata has made a good research on this matter. You also have to consider air flow nut just injector response. take a peek at their article on their website.
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Old Dec 28, 2002 | 07:41 AM
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Default Re: Conversion from a 450cc tune to a 550cc tune is roughly 18.2%less, what's 720cc's? (J2turbo21)

Speed Pro fuel map is based upon volumetric efficiency, so what these guys are trying to do doesn't apply. If your motor is mapped out well the map doesn't need much changing when going to different size injectors. The biggest adjustments will be the cells controlling idle. But like anything your results may vary.

In general going by these equations is a very rough way of doing it. I wouldn't place any bets on a map made in this manner. unless your really a master tuner, going with a wide band is the only solution that makes sense.


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