Ok, my parts fund is robust and instead of going forced induction i think i'm just going to swap again...now i want to do something USDM like a B16a2/3 from 94-97 Del Sol or 99-00 Si. Reason is because this is my daily driver and i want to keep all smog legal and reliable as can be. Does anyone have any advice about this swap? how much more difficult than JDM B16a1? and what other USDM swaps would you advise that may be cheaper and easier (already have the d16z6)?

 

Do a LS swap. I have a b16a1 in my crx and i love, but i have seen some fast all motor LS's and there fun as hell to drive. Some guy in my area was hiting 12.4's all motor ls.

 

i'd do an ls motor, with a b16 tranny (better gearing) and get some toda vtec killer cams. then just do i/h/e and some head work. will be a lot cheaper than b16, and faster to boot

 

does vtec killer means itll be good without the vtec or are you talking about an ls/vtec swap?

 

Eliminates VTEC, dont know too much about it though.

 

whats the engine code for the LS? what years?

 

90-91 OBD0 B18A1 130 hp
92-93 OBD1 B18A1 130 hp
94-95 OBD1 B18B1 140 hp

Don't run a 96+ b18b, cause it won't be bar legal. Or atleast it won't without running OBD2, which would be a HUGE B*tch!

 

You should just think about OBD0 and OBD1 motors. So don't look at any thing newer than 95. So you should forget about the 99-00 si, b16a2. There isn't any reason why you would want to run that motor over the b16a3 from the del sol. They're the same. But you'll need to get a cable tranny to go with a b16a3 or and some of the b18s too. I forget which.

Another option is a 92-93 GSR engine. It's the b17a1, and makes 160 hp. It's almost the same as the b16s but it makes a little more torque. The big benefit is it's low compression ratio, if you later want to go turbo and the fact that it comes stock with a cable tranny. So it would actually be very close to the jdm b16 swap, except for having to run obd1. Only problem with them is that they are very rare. Keep an eye out on thepartstrader and the local wrecking yards. They come up every so often.

Also keep in mind that you need to run the proper ECU and intake manifold with the motor to be BAR legal. Good luck!

 

if you wish to keep the car smog legal then i would suggest the b18a1 ls motor 90-91 integra. the reason for theis motor is that it runs on a obd0 ecu which is the same as your car now. any of the other motors that were suggested will require a obd1 ecu as well as intake manifold. and in order to convert your car from obd0-obd1 you will have to run a grey plug harness instead of your white plug harness that i am assuming you have now. ( major beeeaachh)

 

He said he was running a d16z6, obd1, I think he is already running a obd1 setup. It really isn't that hard with a conversion harness.

 

no you are right its not a hard harness with a conversion however id=f a smog reff sees a conversion harness i doubt he will pass the car. Do it right.. the right year ecu for the car harness with the right year motor . he said he was worried about smog.

 

noahk is right...i'm running obd1 with a p28 using a conversion harness...all the rest of the engine wiring has been spliced on from an obd1 harness...so for the most part, the b18a will be the cheapest and easiest? how bout reliability? fuel economy?

 

I know people that have gone to Ref with a conversion harness, they don't care. They are concerned about the motor, ECU, intake manifold and ALL smog equipment.

Probably the OBD1 B18s will have the best mpg, but not by much. Not enough to be concerned about it. It won't be as good as the z6 though. Where in nor cal are you? Did you come to the Ef meet a couple months back?

 

actually i just moved down to SoCal for school about 3 months ago but i used to live in Rohnert Park (Sonoma County). Anyway thanks guys for some insight on the b series swaps. Now the b18s are pretty much drop in with a mount kit right? no cutting or welding or anything serious involved? also should i worry about hood clearance or clearance of anything? an what is the weight different between the b18s and d16s, will i have to upgrade my suspension?

 

A obd1 will pretty much drop in. With mounts you'll need engine, tranny, axles, ecu, shift linkage. You'll have to make sure its also a cable tranny. I forget if you'll have to run a wire for the knock sensor. I know the b16a3 needs one, but I'm not sure about the B18A/Bs do. You won't have to worry about hood clearance unless you find a b18C, GSR motor. If you don't already have high rate springs, lowering springs, you might want to add them. I think a B-series will add 80-100 pounds to the front end. It will increase understeer and camber wear. A camber kit and larger rear sway bar can cure the problem though.


[Modified by Noahk, 2:57 PM 12/27/2002]

 

ok, now for a b18b what would be a recommended parts list...i'm looking for basically everything i need to drop it in, mounts, tranny, ecu, etc...can anyone help me with this?

also if i do decide to do the b17a if i could find one, then performance parts are readily available for these despite their rarity? and is the b17 an obd1?

 

i have a usdm del sol b16 and a LS for sell .. im in n.cal too. lemme know if your intrested. i can offer you installation. if you buy from me dont worry about smog.


[Modified by NitrousDreamz, 6:28 PM 12/27/2002] hit me up on Aim . Thatricerdaniel.


[Modified by NitrousDreamz, 6:29 PM 12/27/2002]

 

now this might need to go to its own post but considering all that has been said, does anyone think i would experience greater gains by going forced induction instead? and in that i am leaning more towards the supercharger...

 

Yes you should experence more gains going with forced induction. A supercharger would be nice, casue you won't have any lag and will make tons torque. Plus you won't have to spend the money on mounts, you can put the cause right to the motor. I would probably go FI if I were you, but it's a personal choice.