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Old Dec 22, 2002 | 05:52 PM
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I need to know if anyone has bought anything from them for the top end of an F22b2 because they are the ONLY people who have parts for my damn POS motor. The only reason im asking is because for my first mtotr i want to build it myself for experience. HELP!!!!
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Old Dec 22, 2002 | 06:28 PM
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I need to know if anyone has bought anything from them for the top end of an F22b2 because they are the ONLY people who have parts for my damn POS motor. The only reason im asking is because for my first mtotr i want to build it myself for experience. HELP!!!!
I have the F22B1 (Vtec) and have sent about 6 e-mails to Gude asking for a part number for a throttle body. Just a PN. They keep sending me these stupid html pages with all kinds of $hit but no PN for a throttle body. I think they just want to sell a whole head and intake set up.

But,,,,,, I did ask if they can bore out my OEM TB and they said "We can do that." Thats it. That was their whole e-mail. Getting info from these guys is like squeezing water from a rock. I had to ask him about cost, turnaround time, intake porting. Still waiting to hear from them about that.

Good luck.
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Old Dec 22, 2002 | 06:36 PM
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I have the F22B1 (Vtec) and have sent about 6 e-mails to Gude asking for a part number for a throttle body. Just a PN. They keep sending me these stupid html pages with all kinds of $hit but no PN for a throttle body. I think they just want to sell a whole head and intake set up.

But,,,,,, I did ask if they can bore out my OEM TB and they said "We can do that." Thats it. That was their whole e-mail. Getting info from these guys is like squeezing water from a rock. I had to ask him about cost, turnaround time, intake porting. Still waiting to hear from them about that.

Good luck.
I wouldn't give my money to anyone who treated me like that
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Old Dec 22, 2002 | 06:38 PM
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Gude made up phony hp gains...as far as i know
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Old Dec 22, 2002 | 06:55 PM
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I wouldn't give my money to anyone who treated me like that.
I do have serious reservations about it.

RC can do a bore job on a TB too. In terms of customer relations and answering questions RC has always been responsive to me.
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Old Dec 22, 2002 | 07:56 PM
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i copied and pasted this from another post(Timing Issues). i didnt feel like re-typing it since my response would be very similar in this thread.


im running the gude head package on my 91 accord. i have had it for several years now and dont actually have any complaints. i do know that it doesnt increase the power to the claimed #. i only paid about 900 bucks for the kit so i guess the price has gone up if its 1500 now. i did get the adjustable gear as well although its only adjustable +/- 5 degrees. i was actually the first person to have a gude cam gear for an f22 so they may have more adjustablility now, like i said, its been quite a while. i just advanced mine all the way up and havent touched it since, i dont know if its improved or hurt power, it did feel like it gave me a bit more top end power. this winter i intend on visting the dyno to play with cam and base timing so i can utilize the adjustablitly. i may end up switching the cam gear out for one with more available advance/retard if i feel its necc.
i rebuilt the bottom end to stock specs at the same time as the head install. if i were you, i would request a newer 92+ intake mani with the big plenum. also, you can piece a similar kit together yourself with mix match parts. for example, have a local place do a port job, mill, and valve job on the head, get a web, jg or other brand cam, match port the intake mani and t-body. just price every option before dealing w/ gude. it took me about 13 months to get my core money back and that was only because i threatened legal action.
good luck.

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Old Dec 22, 2002 | 10:14 PM
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um. they want $511 for a reground stock cam. no thanks.

and he was also trying to tell me that a more agressive intake cam would help a turbo out more than a more aggresive exhaust cam. ????
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Old Dec 23, 2002 | 06:43 AM
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i love mine for my h23. graned customer service isnt all that but with just with the cams and gears i beat h22vtecs... maybe all of em cant drive or something..
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Old Dec 23, 2002 | 09:40 AM
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Why dont you just call them? I called and talked to Bill Gude himself and he answered all of my questions.
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Old Dec 23, 2002 | 03:42 PM
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I alked to the samguy and he really didnt give a **** wht i had to say! so they are out of the picture so nw i MUST find good top end parts for my motor
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Old Dec 23, 2002 | 06:19 PM
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bill gives me differnt valve lashes everytime i call..
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Old Dec 23, 2002 | 07:15 PM
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bill was more than willing to help from his cel when I had a question about some cams and valve lash, however I cannot say it was of any use or anything. I could have got a better answer from a fortune cookie and some common sense thinking.

also the cams i had reground for my h23 did very well and seemed to make a good bit more power than factory (howver not the outragous numbers they claim though). I had to run the valves so loose it was retarded too.

overall I was not to thrilled and thus will spend my money on a quality custom cam next time.

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Old Dec 23, 2002 | 08:29 PM
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Why dont you just call them? I called and talked to Bill Gude himself and he answered all of my questions.
I suppose that calling is an option. But I personally would rather use a website and e-mail and use the phone as a last resort. If the website is well maintained and accurate and the owners know what they are selling then there should be no problems.

Anyway,,, I just got another one of Bills famous minimal e-mail responses. I may send him my TB to bore out.
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Old Dec 23, 2002 | 09:37 PM
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overall I was not to thrilled and thus will spend my money on a quality custom cam next time.

there. done. ended. over. finished.
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 08:43 AM
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thanks guys but i still need to know were to get parts from besides the chicken chokers at Gude.
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 10:25 AM
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ferrera for valve train parts
custom cam regrind by web or someone decent
rc bored tb or lude tb port matched... unless you got alot of money for a billet tb
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Old Dec 27, 2002 | 06:56 AM
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honda saver for the cam

i don't know if they have or will do one, but they make a good one for the B-series. search in the tech forum. I didn't read teh whole thread cause it's for a B, but it looked promising.
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Old Dec 27, 2002 | 09:53 AM
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i run .003 AND .004 as my lash on my H23.. that not loose at all man. really tight.
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Old Dec 30, 2002 | 10:15 AM
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mine were old style cams gude had out for a bit with a more lift and duration. also I did not do any cutting on the head/ valve seats for a better fit.
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Old Dec 30, 2002 | 10:35 AM
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we have custom cams for the f22 90-93 accord as well as TB porting services.
please email me for specs on the cam since we dont have them up on the website yet.
these are street/race cams. nothing too wild but good enough for some gains on that motor.

cams are about $200 with core exchange and $150 for TB with core exchange.

crex22@yahoo.com or exospeedam@yahoo.com

Wil
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Old Dec 30, 2002 | 11:05 AM
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Nice prices
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 09:25 PM
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i like those prices, i think i hear angels singing!
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