Clutch Problem: Bad Installation or Bad Clutch???
As we all know the stock Honda clutch can't handle the added power from a turbo, so I recently got a Clutchnet stage 2 from a member on this board. Through a connection, I got a Honda mechanic at the Tyson's Rosenthal in Fairfax to install it for me cheaper than a speed shop would charge.
With the installation completed, I stepped on the clutch a few times to test the feel. It did not feel anything like I was used to. The pedal had pressure to a point, but then quickly went to the floor. At first, there was resistance, but from the halfway point to the floor, the clutch pedal didn't push back at all. The mechanic felt it for himself, and said it felt like there was air in the system. He bled the clutch over and over again, with no improvement. I tried driving a few miles and it is very difficult and unnerving. On engaging the clutch, the pressure quickly goes from very little to a lot suddenly, making shifts difficult. Basically the only real strength in the pedal is at the point of engagement. He couldn't improve the situation over that, so I'm currently driving it as is.
What I need to know is where the problem lies. I've heard clutchnet's should feel like stock. Could this be a problem with the clutch itself or with what the mechanic did during the installation? Are there any questions I should ask him about what he did? I saw him bleeding the clutch fluid, with the clutch resevoir dropping, and him adding fluid. He said he can't imagine there is any air left in it. My car is hardly driveable like this. If there's any details I left out, let me know. Help me Honda-tech!!!
Ethan
edit: also, the clutch engages fine as long as long as I'm really careful with the pedal. very grabby.
[Modified by Teg4e, 6:18 PM 12/20/2002]
With the installation completed, I stepped on the clutch a few times to test the feel. It did not feel anything like I was used to. The pedal had pressure to a point, but then quickly went to the floor. At first, there was resistance, but from the halfway point to the floor, the clutch pedal didn't push back at all. The mechanic felt it for himself, and said it felt like there was air in the system. He bled the clutch over and over again, with no improvement. I tried driving a few miles and it is very difficult and unnerving. On engaging the clutch, the pressure quickly goes from very little to a lot suddenly, making shifts difficult. Basically the only real strength in the pedal is at the point of engagement. He couldn't improve the situation over that, so I'm currently driving it as is.
What I need to know is where the problem lies. I've heard clutchnet's should feel like stock. Could this be a problem with the clutch itself or with what the mechanic did during the installation? Are there any questions I should ask him about what he did? I saw him bleeding the clutch fluid, with the clutch resevoir dropping, and him adding fluid. He said he can't imagine there is any air left in it. My car is hardly driveable like this. If there's any details I left out, let me know. Help me Honda-tech!!!
Ethan
edit: also, the clutch engages fine as long as long as I'm really careful with the pedal. very grabby.
[Modified by Teg4e, 6:18 PM 12/20/2002]
The clutch pedal engagement rod may need to be tweaked a little. It may be set too high. Most cars require some kind of adjustment to make it easier to shift. Usually its too low of an engagement which is right next to the floor. A few turns of the rod and now the clutch engages a few inches from the floor.
but, the clutch engaged just like new when I brought it to the guy. It's not a problem of where it engages, but the fact that's there's little pressure on the pedal.
i had your same problem. Ive been using it now for about 1000 miles and it changes over time. Its hard to get used to. Just be patient and let it break in.
I went through clutch problems forever...the're okay now.
Try adjusting your pedal even if the stock clutch engagement point was fine. It helped me ... for awhile (long story.)
Then, if that doesn't work, push on the clutch and look at the slave cylinder. See if the shifter fork is moving side to side like it should.
Given your master cylinder is also good, it jsut may be installation error. Let's hope not...
Try adjusting your pedal even if the stock clutch engagement point was fine. It helped me ... for awhile (long story.)
Then, if that doesn't work, push on the clutch and look at the slave cylinder. See if the shifter fork is moving side to side like it should.
Given your master cylinder is also good, it jsut may be installation error. Let's hope not...
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I can't imagine this is how it's supposed to feel. I'm gonna have the guy install the stock one again, to see if that feels normal. If it does, I'd imagine it's just that the clutch is a POS, and not his fault.
ok this is the reason..!! if the pedal is too soft... check underneath the dash.. look at the seal of the pedal piston... if you see oil on the rod of the brake pump you will need a new clutch master cylinder.. if thats not the problem them the CLUTCH NET sucks... let me kno i have CLutch masters,Hyper,and Action clutch all instock...!!
I have also only heard bad things about ClutchNet. Those clutches blow out left and right. Try a different company next time for sure.
I went with it because I heard from some reputable people (Arturbo) that they feel like stock. I'm gonna get the installer to look into the problems you guys have mentioned here before switching. Thanks for the replies so far.
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