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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 08:25 AM
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Default 267 bhp at 9000 rpm from stock cams ???

Hey guys look at this B18C6 dyno.
http://www.alexwoods.it/it/integratyper.htm
Setup is full Mugen i/h/e, n1 ecu (JTCC?), p&p head, worked valves seats and combustion chambers, 12:1 c/r, 16° timing, 99 ron fuel, polished throttle body and intake manifold, stock bottom end.
267 hp to the flywheel al 9000 rpm (about 220 whp).
I'm a bit sceptic since I have never seen stock cams to pick more then 208 whp at max 8500 rpm .
What's your opinion about?


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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 08:33 AM
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Default Re: 267 bhp at 9000 rpm from stock cams ??? (paul ambra)

Not a snowballs chance in hell. Probably an offbrand dyno that's horribly uncalibrated. My ITR put down 195 on a "DYNO-MITE!" mobile dyno at the Battle of the Imports. It was stock. take it with a grain of salt.
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 08:36 AM
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Maybe it is me but this dyno chart looks super cheezy
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 08:41 AM
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Probabily the dyno was a Bosch.
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 09:17 AM
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Maybe it is me but this dyno chart looks super cheezy
Hehehe... I can put my car on the MSPAINT dyno too... Here's me doing a 3rd gear run with a 200 shot of NAAAWWWWSSSS:

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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 09:22 AM
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"Alex Woods" and the mythcal 270 hp on stock cams has been floating around for years. Even before Hondata, and stand alone management for the R, this was talked about.

I personally think it is full of **** ......... but rumour has it that he had totally rebuilt, balance, and blueprinted the engine and done that as a one shot deal, then blew the motor. But like I said that is all rumours ..........
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 09:22 AM
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Default Re: 267 bhp at 9000 rpm from stock cams ??? (rc1320)

isn't hp and torque supposed to cross at 5250rpm??? not 7500?
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 09:26 AM
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it says PS.. not hp..


[Modified by vtec.dc2, 1:33 PM 12/13/2002]
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 09:31 AM
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Default Re: 267 bhp at 9000 rpm from stock cams ??? (paul ambra)

Probabily the dyno was a Bosch.
not even on a bosch dyno...
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 09:36 AM
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Default Re: 267 bhp at 9000 rpm from stock cams ??? (Spoon1)

no way on stock cams
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 09:37 AM
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icy h0t y0!
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 09:39 AM
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O.k. found this..

1 Horsepower = 1.0139 PS

which still shows high number 263 - and don't know if its corrected hp, and the name of dyno they're using.
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 09:43 AM
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it could also be 263hp at the crank, considering 15% power loss to the wheels, it will end up at 223whp, or 20% loss at 210whp.. then again considering the type of dyno used and if its SAE corrected numbers.
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 10:39 AM
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I think that dyno graph is bullcrap.

the tourque wont rise that high up.

and it said PS on the graph.. which reads lower than hp... but i am not sxactly sure.. So it could be true but.... whatever

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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 10:55 AM
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Approx. 9,500 redline as well .......... yeah, ok.
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 10:58 AM
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Default Re: 267 bhp at 9000 rpm from stock cams ??? (itr1244)

What the hell is the foil thing and....


Look at the aerodynamics whoo hoo
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 10:58 AM
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Default Re: 267 bhp at 9000 rpm from stock cams ??? (itr1244)

"AW" affirms that he obtained so high results because of Mugen headwork specs that he had known direct from Mugen Japan.
Would be useful to listen sgt or other tuning master opinion.
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 11:03 AM
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What the hell is the foil thing and....
keeps the PS line from melting.
its reflective heat tape.

Look at the aerodynamics whoo hoo
that looks very nice.
one of my projects over the winter is an undertray.
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 11:04 AM
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What the hell is the foil thing and....


Look at the aerodynamics whoo hoo
dat foil thing is to cool down da mad p0wa steering y0! #1 stunna
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 11:10 AM
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isn't hp and torque supposed to cross at 5250rpm??? not 7500?
haha exactly i noticed that too lol thats ussualy the giveaway when you see fake dynos.

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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 11:31 AM
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The torque is given in kgm.
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 11:43 AM
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The mugen sides dont match the ITR front lip at all.

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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 11:52 AM
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I rests that I never saw stock cams to breath at 9000 rpm.
And the powerband looks similar to spoon cams.
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 11:59 AM
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Default Re: 267 bhp at 9000 rpm from stock cams ??? (paul ambra)

It looks bogus, but hey you never know...
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 12:14 PM
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Bogus? From what?
This is what I would discover.



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