Pistons broke in half... Please help, need your ideas and suggestions!!!!!

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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 08:43 AM
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Default Pistons broke in half... Please help, need your ideas and suggestions!!!!!

This is my setup. Stock B16 with stage 2 Revhard with intercooler in a 92 Civic. My engine was takin apart and found out the pistons were broken, I guess they snapped. The mechanic who took it apart said it broke because there was too much cylinder pressure and running to lean. Even if we replace the pistons they will always break. Is this true? What if I put in low compression pistons? I have the vortech fmu, bigger fuel pump and stock injectors (that came with the kit). What do you guys? I need all the help I can get!!!!!


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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 09:14 AM
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1)Replace pistons
2)hone the block
(It's more involved then that, I'm just being lazy)

3) TURN DOWN THE BOOST!

You should be running only 7-8 psi on a stock ecu.

4) Get Hondata to cure all your problems.
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 09:19 AM
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Thank you for your input. Anyone else?
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 09:57 AM
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Default Re: Pistons broke in half... Please help, need your ideas and suggestions!!!!! (import_racer)

Get forged pistosn
Get forged rods
Get Hondata
Get Bigger injectors
Get more boost
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 10:35 AM
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Default Re: Pistons broke in half... Please help, need your ideas and suggestions!!!!! (import_racer)

Your mechanic is correct. At the minimum you need to bore the block and install forged pistons or the same thing will happen. You also need to insure no more lean conditions when boosting.
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 10:58 AM
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What is the best way to make my fuel rich? Vafc? I have no one here for tuning with hondata. Thanks.
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 11:05 AM
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Default Re: Pistons broke in half... Please help, need your ideas and suggestions!!!!! (import_racer)

Just curious, how many psi's were you running before you did that to yoru piston?
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 12:59 PM
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Default Re: Pistons broke in half... Please help, need your ideas and suggestions!!!!! (ekb18c)

1)Replace pistons
2)hone the block
(It's more involved then that, I'm just being lazy)

3) TURN DOWN THE BOOST!

You should be running only 7-8 psi on a stock ecu.

4) Get Hondata to cure all your problems.
Actually u should be running no more than 7psi on stock injectors. Afc-hack for the cheapasses like me
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 01:09 PM
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I am constantly and consistently AMAZED! with all you people boosting on stock injectors. this just seems idiotic to me when you can get dsm's 60 bills.
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ohh yea how many pounds where you running?
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 01:23 PM
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I am constantly and consistently AMAZED! with all you people boosting on stock injectors. this just seems idiotic to me when you can get dsm's 60 bills.
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Why pay 60 bills for dsms if your only goonna boost like 5psi. Yes it is idiotic to boost more than 7psi on stock injectors..but not for low boost levels
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 01:41 PM
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Stock injectors can handle a little more then 7psi from my personal experience. I have boost a car up to 10psi on stock injectors BUT it had the proper fuel management. The car had Hondata and running 10psi on stock injectors. The injectors weren't maxing out. Fuel pressure was set at 38psi. Again this was with proper fuel management. I wouldnt suggest doing this with a bone stock ecu though.

HTH
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 03:40 PM
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Stock injectors can handle a little more then 7psi from my personal experience. I have boost a car up to 10psi on stock injectors BUT it had the proper fuel management. The car had Hondata and running 10psi on stock injectors. The injectors weren't maxing out. Fuel pressure was set at 38psi. Again this was with proper fuel management. I wouldnt suggest doing this with a bone stock ecu though.

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Wow, good for u man. I meant no more than 7psi on stock injectors on a stock ecu...cause you said that no more than 7-8psi on a stock ecu. I was just saying you can run more boost on a stock ecu safely..but only up to 7psi on stock injectors with a stock ecu
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 03:47 PM
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My gauge showed 9 psi...
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 03:54 PM
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Care to explain why only 7psi and not 8psi on stock injectos and stock ecu ? I want to hear this.





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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 06:22 PM
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Default Re: Pistons broke in half... Please help, need your ideas and suggestions!!!!! (ekb18c)

It's really not relative to boost at all. If you are making 300hp at 5psi then stock injectors aren't big enough. If you are making 250 at 12psi. then they are fine, except for the fact that your fuel pressure is ridiculously high. It takes a certain amount of fuel to make power, not a certain amount to make boost.
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 06:49 PM
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My gauge showed 9 psi...
9psi on stock injectors and ecu???????????????????????.....are you smoking rocks?


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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 06:52 PM
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My gauge showed 9 psi...

9psi on stock injectors and ecu???????????????????????.....are you smoking rocks?


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I've run 12psi on stock injectors on a b16 with an hks headgasket. The car ran for about 2 years until it floated a valve. Remember, fuel is relative to hp. A low compression b16 doesn't make too much horsepower at low boost. At 12 psi this car made 260whp. It was on the limit of stock injectors for sure, but 9psi can be done easily if power is down a little.
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