No more being told the APEXi PowerFC is all well and good but you can't get to the base maps and it's not as flexible or easy to program as a PC Software programmable system...


A message from the FC-Datalogit newsgroup....


Hello.
FC-Datalogit for Honda Power FC is now finished.
http://www.fc-datalogit.co.nz/model-status.html

You can order it from our Dealers as per the dealer page;
http://www.fc-datalogit.co.nz/distribution.html

FC-Datalogit purchased from FC-Datalogit for Honda is US$363.00.
Includes;
FC-Box for Honda Power FC
FC-Edit software for windows
Serial cable.
Membership of the user E-group
Manual PDF (Which you need to down load from the Honda user group)
New versions of the FC-Edit software as we develop them.

Postage to you...

These models are supported (these are the versions we have seen so
far and tried FC-Edit on);
B16B v3.11,
B16B v1.50
B18C v2.02A

Working on a new one we found B18C v4.01. FC-Edit will be updated in
the next 4 days.

Do you have a Power FC version that is not listed above?
Let us know and we will add it to the list.

We have a few in stock and so do our dealers. We are making another
batch now and it will be our last for the year so get you order in
quick so you can have one under your tree for Christmas!

We take PayPal or direct credit payments for countries not yet
serviced by one of our dealers.

Glen


from FC-Datalogit site...


Honda
Civic Type R EK9
B16B
Civic EG6/EG9
B16A
Integra Type R DC2
B18C
Civic Type EK4
B16A

Released November 2002.
HONDA v1:061
B16B v3.11,
B16B v1.50
B18C v2.02A

Note* All the Honda Power FCs are basically the same but have different base maps...some models require an adapter loom which is available from Apexi USA. Part number as follows:

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Application Engine Adapter Harness Part Number
96-98 SOHC EJ D16Y8 N/A (No adapter needed)
99-00 SOHC EJ D16Y8 I-SE002
96-98 DOHC DC2 GS-R B18C1 N/A (No adapter needed)
99-01 DOHC DC2 GS-R B18C1 I-SE002
99-00 DOHC EH1 Si B16A2 I-SE002
92-95 SOHC EG D16A6 I-SE001
94-95 DOHC DC2 GS-R B18C1 I-SE001
</PRE><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


[Modified by RICHJ, 8:18 AM 12/4/2002]

 

I was wondering about that yesterday...

 

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just got that email myself too

datalogging here i come

 

yup

 

Just got the email. Just in time for Christmas!!

Then Dyno Time for my Birthday.

 

ha and u had lost faith in this.....shame on you!!!

 

About stinking time...now it will be a little better than a glorified VAFC...damn thing was fun playing with while I had it
Austin

 

I think it's unfair to label the PowerFC a glorified VAFC, after all with a VAFC you can only adjust fuel and VTEC point. With the PowerFC you can adjust fuel (by rpm, PIM voltage or via a map (OK you cant get to the base map but that's probably a good thing for most we-todd-did users like me ), vtec, timing, idle, easily compansate for injector swaps (took me 10minutes) etc...

The PowerFC has never been the problem, that has to be laid at APEXi's door for the way they distribute (i.e. don't) the Excel PC software

 

No, I don't think of it as a bad example...because of the way that it's designed it functions like a VAFC with more areas to change, gives you access to the timing table, and allows for a change in the injector size...now that you have access to the fuel tables it can be used like a real EMS...I kept running into the maximum correction factor of 1.500 on the fuel table and had to redo 75% of the fuel table to fix it

Austin - who had over 40 dyno runs with the PowerFC and 12,000 street miles


[Modified by Austin, 10:37 AM 12/4/2002]

 

So they charge you more to get a feature that all other standalones come with out of the box? Cool... I guess.

 

A'PEXi doesn't even offer you the option, you have to purchase this program that was reverse engineered...the A'PEXi program is ~$4,500, I know I looked into it

Austin

 

Last I checked it was an option for Hondata. :scratcheshead:

 

Last time I checked datalogging came on the most basic model of Hondata. In fact, that seemed to be the point of of the stage 1. If you wanted to tune the car with it, that was extra.

Edit: Nevermind. I just checked thier board. Question though, what's the point of a Hondata that you can't tune or datalog? What does it give you that the factory ECU doesn't?


[Modified by newt2, 12:22 PM 12/4/2002]

 

You take it to the tuner to have them tune it for you...plus you have the adjustable re limiter, and vtec. I know that I want to get the datalogging and the software, but I could spend my $$$ on something better at the moment.

Austin

 

I'm talking about the S100.

From Hondatas website:

s100 - this is the entry level system for users who do not wish to tune their vehicle, and don't require additional features such as 3 step rev limiter or datalogging.


That tells me that you can't tune it or have it tuned. Am I reading that wrong?

 

so, with FC-Datalogit, do you still need the FC commander? or could you just use a PC?

And i just ordered an AVC-R too, damnit.....

 

They don't charge you anything. Datalogit is a company from Austrailia that has HACKED the Power FC setup to allow datalogging and base map adjustment.


You sort of missed the point of the thread. It isn't really to debate the superiority of the power FC but to annouce to those who have it that they capabilities are not equal with the others.

 

i read that as well. but someone who just posted said he got his car tuned via hondata s100 by jeff@importbuilders...

 

Well Hondata does phrase it oddly. What they mean is with the s100, YOU won't be doing the tuning, but your tuner. It's so that people can get their car tuned without investing in all the additional stuff needed to do the actual tuning.

 

thanks for clearing that up. it does seem that hondata is implying that NO tuning can be done w/ the s100. im glad to see that it can be tuned.

 

Our s100 system is no different than the s200 except that it cannot be upgraded to include additional features. This is the ideal setup for someone who wants the car tuned by their dealer and doesn't want to worry about it. This system fits entirely withing the ECU and has nothing external. This is also ideal for some one who doesn't have enough money for a full blown system but needs the ability to have the car fully tuned.

Any questions can be sent to matt@hondata.com


[Modified by Spunkster, 10:47 PM 12/6/2002]

 

No it's more of an announcement that Honda PowerFC owners no longer have to find and pay an APEXi Excel dealer to get it programmed easily. The abilities of the PowerFC have always been there it's just APEXi have never (and still don't) let the home tuner get to them.

Same with the Hondata really you can buy one but if you don't have all the kit to program them then you still have to pay someone who has the stuff to do it.

The difference being Hondata have always made the programming available to anyone (for a price), which is the best way to do it.

BTW I'm not dissing Hondata I'm sure it's a very good product (although I have never had one)

Out of interest how much does the Hondata with Boost Datalogging and all the hardware to program it cost (ROM emulator etc), is that Stage 4, cant see the price on the Hondata site.

OK just re-read the Hondata Website and Stage 4 no longer exists, just need to add options to s200 system


[Modified by RICHJ, 9:01 AM 12/5/2002]


[Modified by RICHJ, 9:04 AM 12/5/2002]