What do you think abotu these two setups? Which is a better setup?

Who sells each setup for a good price, and how much?

 

Sometimes wish I would not of spent $1,645.00 on Buddy Clubs and put the money towards other things, but then again I love them to the point I would want nothing else!

 

Trust me you will know!

 

Bilstein SP w/Ground Control Coilovers.

The koni's will hold up as long as you don't go too high with the rates. But I'm just a bilstein wh0re.

H&R Sport springs.. what rates are they? I used to have them, weak IMO. And the car has the forward rake of a 1968 camaro drag car.


[Modified by Dave-ROR, 10:30 AM 11/18/2002]

 

Agreed. Best bang for the buck for sure.

 

no problems with my H&R's...Im still on the stock shocks though.

 

how high is too high for konis? also, how much are GC's with custom rates??

 

I have to wonder exactly why you are considering these setups or changes?

I find it increasingly harder after more and different events to justify changing anything about my R's Stock suspension. I am currently doing serious investigating of just what to replace it with when it finally goes but, It's pretty difficult to beat the Stock ITR suspension altogether, especially inexpensively.

Just my observations,,,

A.

 

about 400lbs/in is all I'd run with Koni's unless I had them revalved. I run 450/600 on bilsteins with no problems. Everyone who'd driven the car likes the setup.

Dunno on the cost, talk to Dave@R&D or Mike@IPS.. I think they can both get GC stuff but not sure.. I got mine for cost but IIRC the custom spring rate fee was cheap, 10-50 bucks or something, but nothing much.

Edit: Anton, I agree that for performance the Stock suspension is damned good But for those not doing track driving I could see the reason to change it out.. most front heavy JDM setups would be safer on the street anyways imo.. little extra understeer


[Modified by Dave-ROR, 12:43 PM 11/18/2002]

 

umm why not save up and get real coilover kit?

 

What does that mean?

 

Forget that mass-production stuff...

Idol-Motorsports double spring aluminium kit with teflon dome. One shock plus springs weight less than 4kg. It`s custom made by Eibach for the Integra Type R.
There`s nothing better out there. I saw a Type R (stock enginge+bolt ons) kicking the *** of an a-license GT3 on the "Ring" (thousands of curves, only one straight).

 

Please define a "real coilover kit". My definition of that is this: A coild spring over a shock.

Therefore, the stock G3 Integra suspension is, by definition, a Coilover suspension.

Now, I'm sure you meant a "threaded body coilover suspension". As for that, I would not say all Threaded Body setups are great, just as I wouldn't say all Threaded Sleeve setups suck. Making such a blanket statement with no facts is purely idiotic.

 

Sp00m springs y0!

-Marc ---> who has been riding on spoon springs and stock shocks/struts for 20K+ miles.

 

Mark,

I heard you were having problems with your suspension. Aren't the spoon springs messing with your shocks... i think i remember someone mentioning your car being very bouncy now.

Jon

 

I mentioned it.. and I think that's what the was for in his post (that he's using them with stock shocks)

 

After hearing of George K's back experience with the Koni/Spoon Spring combo... i am weary of going with my original plans. Can anyone vouch for having good experience with a Koni/H&R sport combo?

... how much are those Ground Control's?

...what are the diff. types of Koni yellow's sold. I heard of bad experience from the ones sold at the Tire Rack, but what other types are sold?

Jon

EDIT: Additionally wondering if the stock shocks will work fine with just the ground controls.


[Modified by TypeR1558, 3:43 PM 11/18/2002]

 

Which shocks you should get depend on the springs rates you want. What rates do you want? Stock ITR is like 240-246lb/in or so. (front and rear, but rear is progressive)

 

sorry i meant something like mugen lowdowns, zeal B2, S6, H&R coilovers and so on.

something like this

 

Mugen lowdowns are a great street suspension. But not on the track. I don't care for the H&R threadbody setups personally, no exp with the zeals. Which do you have experience with? Not trying to be an ***, but you are putting down a very capable setup (bilstein/gcs or koni/gcs) for some that are, and some that certainly are not depending on the application..

speaking of the application.. I still don't know what this guy wants a different suspension for

 

i havent had any experiences with any of them i am a stocker.
i am just saying instead of finding a shock, coilover/springs cuz the dampering and spring rate is not right compared to a built coilovers like zeal B2 or mugen or whatever .

i am not saying which is good and bad cuz i dont know crap about them

 

I dont own an itr, but i do own a gc/koni set-up. I run 350f/400r with the yellows.

I went to the hpde at lime rock and was happy with the set-up. I did have a lot of body roll(no sways though), but the car felt pretty neutral.

As for the limits of the yellows, the general rule of thumb seems to be keep them around 400-450lbs. Now, i think there are a few guys in the roadrace/autox forums that run up to 600lbs with yellows, but not on a street car.

Price wise, the cheapest place to order is direct from GC. Got mine to my door for around 350. I purchased the koni yellows from the tirerack for 525 or so.

Figure around 900 for eveything. Great price for a great suspension.

Also, i think the stock ITR spring rates are ~225f/180r???


mike

 

negative.

front is like 240-246 (forget exactly) and rears are progressive from 160 (or 180 perhaps) to 240-246 (whatever the fronts are)

 

stand corrected


Mike

 

thanks for the info Dave