Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000) EG/EH/EJ/EK/EM1 Discussion

Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 6, 2021 | 09:01 PM
  #1  
DaveAndAlex's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 42
Likes: 17
Default Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

I searched and found entirely too much contradictory information on the subject. Bought a 93 Del Sol Si without knowing the engine had been swapped. Car has a D16Y7 running on a P28. I'm of course getting vtec codes. What I'm wondering is exactly how detrimental to the engine will it be to continue running this setup? What should I be on the lookout for? Am I risking washing down the cylinders because of overfueling? What can I do other than replacing/chipping the ECU? Thanks in advance for any helpful advice.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2021 | 07:43 AM
  #2  
TomCat39's Avatar
Hysterically Calm
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 10,439
Likes: 597
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

Originally Posted by DaveAndAlex
What can I do other than replacing/chipping the ECU?
It's either this or swap the engine to the D16Z6 the P28 was designed for.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2021 | 05:19 PM
  #3  
DaveAndAlex's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 42
Likes: 17
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

Originally Posted by TomCat39
It's either this or swap the engine to the D16Z6 the P28 was designed for.
I was afraid that was going to be the answer.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2021 | 08:25 PM
  #4  
JRCivic1's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
10 Year Member
Community Builder
Active Streak: 60 Days
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 10,046
Likes: 1,239
From: The South - Roll Tide !!!
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

Originally Posted by DaveAndAlex
I was afraid that was going to be the answer.
What are you afraid of ? You likely got a really good deal on this car since it had issues (you knew this because the CEL was ON), so spending another $50-125 for a P06 ECU shouldn't be a problem. It will plug right in... easy peasy !!!
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2021 | 08:26 PM
  #5  
JRCivic1's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
10 Year Member
Community Builder
Active Streak: 60 Days
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 10,046
Likes: 1,239
From: The South - Roll Tide !!!
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

... and this solution will be WAY cheaper than buying a D16Z6 as TomCat39 suggested, although it won't be nearly as powerful. It's your call OP.
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2021 | 08:28 PM
  #6  
TomCat39's Avatar
Hysterically Calm
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 10,439
Likes: 597
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

Originally Posted by JRCivic1
... and this solution will be WAY cheaper than buying a D16Z6 as TomCat39 suggested, although it won't be nearly as powerful. It's your call OP.
To be fair, I did also include the swap the ecu as well as chipping/tuning the ecu with quoting him and bolding the options. I wanted to highlight all options available.

Granted, I didn't associate the costs for any of it and swapping the ECU to the P06 is by far the cheapest.
Reply
Old Mar 9, 2021 | 01:22 PM
  #7  
JRCivic1's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
10 Year Member
Community Builder
Active Streak: 60 Days
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 10,046
Likes: 1,239
From: The South - Roll Tide !!!
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

Originally Posted by TomCat39
To be fair, I did also include the swap the ecu as well as chipping/tuning the ecu with quoting him and bolding the options. I wanted to highlight all options available.

Granted, I didn't associate the costs for any of it and swapping the ECU to the P06 is by far the cheapest.
No doubt TomCat39... I wasn't trying to be argumentative. I was agreeing with you AND pointing out the differences in cost... I got the "feeling" the OP was looking for the most economical solution.
Reply
Old Mar 9, 2021 | 03:12 PM
  #8  
TomCat39's Avatar
Hysterically Calm
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 10,439
Likes: 597
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

No worries, wasn't taking it as argumentative. Wasn't sure if you noticed or not so was just pointing out in the case you missed it. And your addition of cost is a great addition to boot!
Reply
Old Mar 9, 2021 | 04:14 PM
  #9  
Kenneth Frazee's Avatar
B*a*n*n*e*d
 
Joined: Jan 2021
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

I did the reverse, P06 w Z6 head. It ran fine and got 38mpg hwy, just no vtec until I got it chipped etc.
Reply
Old Mar 9, 2021 | 07:27 PM
  #10  
TomCat39's Avatar
Hysterically Calm
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 10,439
Likes: 597
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

Originally Posted by Kenneth Frazee
I did the reverse, P06 w Z6 head. It ran fine and got 38mpg hwy, just no vtec until I got it chipped etc.
Yeah, I think the low cam of the Z6 is pretty close to the B7 cam so it runs relatively the same on a B7 block. The IM is slightly different, smaller plenum so the resonance is a touch different but it's not something you'd like notice with a butt dyno, only a real dyno would show the subtle differences.
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2021 | 12:35 PM
  #11  
DaveAndAlex's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 42
Likes: 17
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

Originally Posted by JRCivic1
What are you afraid of ? You likely got a really good deal on this car since it had issues (you knew this because the CEL was ON), so spending another $50-125 for a P06 ECU shouldn't be a problem. It will plug right in... easy peasy !!!
Afraid I was going to be spending more money on it I definitely overpaid on the car a bit. If it wasn't a Del Sol I wouldn't have paid what I did for it. My quick deductions in my head didn't take into account everything I've sunk into the car so far. I'll still be below what a "nice" one usually goes for though so I did ok I guess. BTW what part of Bama are you in?

Last edited by DaveAndAlex; Mar 14, 2021 at 12:37 PM. Reason: added text
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2021 | 09:16 PM
  #12  
JRCivic1's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
10 Year Member
Community Builder
Active Streak: 60 Days
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 10,046
Likes: 1,239
From: The South - Roll Tide !!!
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

Just East of Birmingham... Odenville.
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2021 | 03:44 PM
  #13  
DaveAndAlex's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 42
Likes: 17
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

Originally Posted by JRCivic1
Just East of Birmingham... Odenville.
I'm down in Montgomery. Happy to see another Honda lover in the state. I've lost touch with all my old car buddies over the years the scene just isn't what it used to be.
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2021 | 09:29 PM
  #14  
JRCivic1's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
10 Year Member
Community Builder
Active Streak: 60 Days
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 10,046
Likes: 1,239
From: The South - Roll Tide !!!
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

The scene has changed over the years... but some of us are still dedicated and committed to the Honda/Acura scene no matter what.
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2021 | 03:16 PM
  #15  
DaveAndAlex's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 42
Likes: 17
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

I'm BAAAAACK. Getting back to working on this here DelSol. After much searching I've found this P06 htmlhttps://store.allcomputerresources.c...-computer.html Does this seems reasonable to ye Honda gurus around here?
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2021 | 03:21 PM
  #16  
Kenneth Frazee's Avatar
B*a*n*n*e*d
 
Joined: Jan 2021
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

Originally Posted by DaveAndAlex
I'm BAAAAACK. Getting back to working on this here DelSol. After much searching I've found this P06 htmlhttps://store.allcomputerresources.c...-computer.html Does this seems reasonable to ye Honda gurus around here?
Well if you're running an automatic transmission certainly
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2021 | 03:56 PM
  #17  
DaveAndAlex's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 42
Likes: 17
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

Originally Posted by Kenneth Frazee
Well if you're running an automatic transmission certainly
Sadly yes, this one has the auto trans. The one I have on deck to tackle next is a 5 speed
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2021 | 04:46 PM
  #18  
fryman's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
15 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 773
Likes: 13
From: fl, usa
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

Wouldn't the D16Y7 and D16Z6 have about the same fuel maps and timing(except for when VTEC engages) since they're both 1.6 litres? I'd think the stroke would be the major difference, prior to VTEC, and not the head. I've been running my JDM D15B on a P28 and I believe it has the same head code as the Z6(P08) but the stroke is what concerns me. The timing belt is even shorter on my D15B(103t and 104t on Z6).
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2021 | 05:14 PM
  #19  
DaveAndAlex's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 42
Likes: 17
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

Car is acting funny around the Vtec engagement point. I believe it's over fueling. When we changed the oil we had a STRONG smell of gas. I also HATE CELs
Reply
Old Apr 21, 2021 | 07:54 AM
  #20  
DaveAndAlex's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 42
Likes: 17
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

Decided not to go with that company they require you to send in the core to activate the warranty AND they will charge you another $100 if you don't return the core. I won't be trading a P28 for a P06.
Reply
Old Apr 21, 2021 | 08:56 AM
  #21  
DaveAndAlex's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 42
Likes: 17
Default Re: Advice/Help Needed P28 on non vtec Engine

Pulled the trigger on this https://www.hamotorsports.com/produc...2de26e48&_ss=r . Fingers crossed
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
HondaVTEC1993
Engine Management and Tuning
19
Apr 26, 2018 09:02 PM
g22accord10
Engine Management and Tuning
2
Nov 10, 2010 07:38 AM
Ej1Stolo
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000)
8
Aug 19, 2010 08:21 AM
PTVDesign
Honda Accord (1990 - 2002)
6
Aug 13, 2009 01:15 PM
brewbud
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000)
3
Nov 10, 2005 06:36 AM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:25 AM.