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Old Oct 11, 2020 | 02:16 PM
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Default Fuse 44 / 23 keep popping! Help pls

Just purchased this ek coupe and it has a short somewhere. So i have been trying to trace this short down but can’t find it at all. The fuses keep blowing when car is turned to on position however whenever I unplug connection c101. Fuse 44 and 23 related or different shorts?
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Old Oct 11, 2020 | 05:32 PM
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Two separate shorts.

Fuse 23 protects the SRS computer. Has the car been in an accident?

What year Civic? Are saying that unplugging C101 prevents fuse 44 from blowing?

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Old Oct 11, 2020 | 06:24 PM
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1997 honda civic dx sohc non vtec d16y7

I just purchased the car so i'm not sure, it is clean title though, however i do see dent on passenger side front clip. Will the srs system prevent the car from starting after i fix the fuse 44 short?

Also unplugging c101 the fuse does not pop.
I then plug that back in a unplug injectors and iac. fuse pops
i plug those all back in unplug connector c130 and fuse does not pop
im trying to unplug c116 right now but cant seem to get it off, it is the grey connector that is next to the blue correct?

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Old Oct 11, 2020 | 07:13 PM
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Will the srs system prevent the car from starting after i fix the fuse 44 short?
No

For fuse 44 issue, test whether unplugging only ECU connector A prevents fuse 44 from blowing.


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Old Oct 11, 2020 | 07:42 PM
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I unplugged connection A on ecu with everything else plugged in and the fuse does not pop.

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Old Oct 11, 2020 | 07:56 PM
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I unplugged connection A on ecu with everything else plugged in and the fuse does not pop.
Buy a replacement ECU.

Unplug the SRS unit connector. Does this prevent fuse 23 from blowing?
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Old Oct 11, 2020 | 07:57 PM
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I'll go to a junkyard tomorrow and see what i can find
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I'll go to a junkyard tomorrow and see what i can find
If no luck at the junk yard, eBay is a good place to shop for ECUs.
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Old Oct 11, 2020 | 08:03 PM
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which year honda civics will i be able to get the exact ecu from? 96-2000?
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Old Oct 11, 2020 | 08:20 PM
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What transmission and Civic trim (hatch, coupe, sedan)?
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Old Oct 11, 2020 | 08:22 PM
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manual civic dx coupe
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Old Oct 11, 2020 | 08:35 PM
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manual civic dx coupe
To avoid evaporative emissions system trouble codes, a P2E ECU from the following donor Civics should work:
  • Any stock 96 Civic CX, DX, or LX w/ M/T
  • Any stock 97 Civic DX w/ M/T
  • Any stock 98 Civic CX w/ M/T

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Old Oct 11, 2020 | 08:39 PM
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will do, ill keep an eye out for those tomorrow!
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Old Oct 12, 2020 | 03:38 PM
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Couldn’t find any, buddy gave me an auto ecu will it work? Plugged it in and the fuse doesn’t pop however the fuel pump isn’t priming. Main relay clicks and is working though
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Old Oct 12, 2020 | 07:11 PM
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Also where is the srs unit located? If I leave it in and the fuse keeps popping. Will the car still be able to run?
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Old Oct 12, 2020 | 07:44 PM
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Plugged it in and the fuse doesn’t pop however the fuel pump isn’t priming. Main relay clicks and is working though
What specific ECU did your buddy give you?

Try this test:
See ECU connector A diagram in post #4.
Unplug ECU connector A.
Use a wire to ground pin A16 (Grn/Yel wire) to the metal frame under the dash.
Turn key to ON(II).
Does the fuel pump run?
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Originally Posted by 817Ekcoupe
Also where is the srs unit located?
See diagram below.
If I leave it in and the fuse keeps popping. Will the car still be able to run?
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Default Re: Fuse 44 / 23 keep popping! Help pls

Buddy gave me a 1999 civic sedan automatic ecu
it has the same p2e code but a90 last three digits. Also a lot smaller than my original ecu.

ground that ecu wire on my original or buddy’s ecu
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Old Oct 12, 2020 | 08:18 PM
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Ground a16 fuel pump doesn’t work. Tried on both ecu
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Old Oct 12, 2020 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 817Ekcoupe
Buddy gave me a 1999 civic sedan automatic ecu
it has the same p2e code but a90 last three digits. Also a lot smaller than my original ecu.

ground that ecu wire on my original or buddy’s ecu
Your car has an OBD2a ECU, whereas a 99 Civic has an OBD2b ECU. Obd2a and OBD2b ECUs are not interchangeable.
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Old Oct 12, 2020 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 817Ekcoupe
Ground a16 fuel pump doesn’t work. Tried on both ecu
The test bypasses the ECU for priming the fuel pump.
Start by checking whether fuse 44 or dash fuse 13 is blown. Also check the important G101 ground on the thermostat housing.
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Old Oct 12, 2020 | 09:15 PM
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Replaced fuses just to make sure tried again and still doesn’t work. Pump only works when jumping 6/7 on main relay. However I’m pretty sure this main relay is good I feel it click once when turning key to on. Had multiple Duralast ones before and didn’t feel or hear the click. Got this main relay today from junkyard and felt / heard the single click
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Old Oct 13, 2020 | 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 817Ekcoupe
Pump only works when jumping 6/7 on main relay.
The main relay connector pin jumps to make the fuel pump run are 7-4 (Key OFF) and 5-4 (Key ON[II]).

7-4 = Wht/Blk wire to Yel/Grn (pump)
5-4 = Yel/Grn (Fuse 13) to Yel/Grn (pump)

Which jump test does not run the pump?

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Old Oct 13, 2020 | 10:28 AM
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With ecu connector a off and key turned to on 5/4 did not work.
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Old Oct 13, 2020 | 10:30 AM
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Fuse 13 is still good, did not pop as well.
also got a lead on a p2e-426 he said was pulled from a running 96-98 hatch his buddy went b20. This ecu should work right?

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