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Installed Header, Gas Mileage Plumeted

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Old Mar 28, 2020 | 12:29 AM
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So I bought a parts civic that had the subframe rusted out for 200$. It had a header on it, my exhaust had the muffler rust off so I replaced my entire exhaust and installed the aftermarket header. I have a header (with all O2 sensors functioning properly) the resonator thingy (it’s hollow but has some little holes in it) and a muffler. Since I’ve done that my gas image is 26 MPGs HIGHWAY driving 😳 it’s consistently about 26 too for 2 months now. Anybody know some tricks I can do to help this mileage improve. Used to get 31-32 consistently. It’s a 1997 DX four door with 255,000 miles. Automatic

P.S. soon I will be posting pictures of my repaint job I will do to it! I know useless additional information sorry lol I’m just excited to paint it!

thanks for your help in advanced.
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Old Mar 28, 2020 | 12:30 AM
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I said resonator has some holes in it I mean on the inside of it lol id you look in it
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Old Mar 28, 2020 | 05:51 AM
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If I am remembering correctly, the D16Y7 has the catalytic converter in the exhaust manifold design.

Sounds to me like you changed to a D16Y8 exhaust manifold design and removed the catalytic converter for a test pipe.

Changing just the header design to one without a catalytic converter will change your scavenging properties and then removing the catalytic converter will change it even further. If you want your fuel economy back, return to the stock header/catalytic converter setup.
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Old Mar 28, 2020 | 01:14 PM
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If I am remembering correctly, the D16Y7 has the catalytic converter in the exhaust manifold design.

Sounds to me like you changed to a D16Y8 exhaust manifold design and removed the catalytic converter for a test pipe.

Changing just the header design to one without a catalytic converter will change your scavenging properties and then removing the catalytic converter will change it even further. If you want your fuel economy back, return to the stock header/catalytic converter setup.
yea you are correct. The catalytic converters is in the stock manifold that was removed. When the car is running it smells rich.

I know this may sound dumb. But is this something I could pay a tuner to solve? I don’t mind spending a little money keeping it the way it is but if I have to go back to the stock exhaust manifold I will. That makes for the reply.

I know what I’ll do. I’ll weld in an aftermarket catalytic converters and put the O2 sensor behind it (like it is from the factory) and that should solve the problem.
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Old Mar 28, 2020 | 02:57 PM
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You should have 2 O2 sensors, upstream (before or top of cat) and downstream (after cat).

It's the upstream O2 that is most critical. The downstream is there to report on cat efficiency only.

As for a tuner, you would need a tune able ECU solution. Going OBD1 may cause challenges for inspections/emissions. OBD2 Honda ECU's are not really tune able.
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Old Mar 29, 2020 | 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TomCat39
You should have 2 O2 sensors, upstream (before or top of cat) and downstream (after cat).

It's the upstream O2 that is most critical. The downstream is there to report on cat efficiency only.

As for a tuner, you would need a tune able ECU solution. Going OBD1 may cause challenges for inspections/emissions. OBD2 Honda ECU's are not really tune able.

Yea I should have specified TWO O2 sensors. Well I live in WV and we don’t have emissions. Sounds like too much hassle to me I may just go back to stock. Thanks for your input.
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Old Mar 29, 2020 | 06:43 AM
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Post all CEL codes.
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Old Mar 29, 2020 | 11:17 PM
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Post all CEL codes.
zero check engine light 💪🏽
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Old Mar 29, 2020 | 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by muellersfan
Post all CEL codes.
owned the car for ten years and only time CEL came on was when I was resetting time on my distributor when I put a pin in that thingy to stop the computer from adjusting it. Went away after I removed the pin.
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Old Mar 30, 2020 | 05:25 AM
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Does the cluster CEL currently work? Sometimes the bulb burns out.
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